* Tennessee [06-14-15 06:54]:

Downloaded Yosemite.
It destroyed my 7 year old free PhotoStudio. PhotoStudio was fairly easy to learn and provided ALL the tools one needed to alter
photos with very professional results. Easy sizing of tools. Easy choices of color. Easy learning of various tools. Great software. It was developed
then for the Wannabe editors for personal use. and it was FREE. Just challenging enough.
I'm distraught in having lost it.
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Being FREE, I chose Gimp as a replacement, thinking Gimp was going to be simple, like the old PhotoStudio was..

And you didn't read about gimp prior.

My Yosemite wouldn't allow download. I downloaded MacPorts.. no good. The 3rd download you offered, it opened right up. First off, tool box and color chart popped up...easy choices. Vertical box which I assume had sizing & layers within but not simple to understand at first viewing.

Next day, Only the Image Manipulation Window appears....No tool box choices. No color choices. No whatever that vertical box was trying to convey...

Only access now to the GIMP program is the horizontalTool Bar, which offered so many choices that it was overwhelming. Simple GIMP is NOT.

I haven't read any where that gimp was "simple", and you are confirming that fact?

You know...there are a million of us intermediates out there that NEED learning software. A free service should be aimed toward intermediates like me...who found PhotoStudio just difficult enough to challenge but easy to learn, and a delight to use. I'd be glad to pay $10 for a Free software that helps me edit pictures for fun and a professional look with simple tools.

You are free to choose but chose gimp. Many guides to using gimp exist. If you would prefer to pay $10 for "free" software, I am sure someone will accomodate you.

Your GIMP is for the professional person...why do you give it away.

There is no reason that a "prpfessional person" should not also be privy to "free" software.

Why don't you have TWO free offers...one to attract the professional who wants your complexity for free...and the second to TEACH the beginning-intermediate editor to be a professional editor who could understand and use your present GIMP.

Give us, for example, the old PhotoStudio simplicity as a free software editor. That was a GREAT photo editor. I recommended it to everyone I knew. Now it's obsolete. What a pity... everyone now is supposed to be a learned professional and we intermediates are left out. Sincerely. Frances

You begrudge others that *you* chose a software for "learned professional(s)"? Was this choice somehow forced upon you or only the result of your own ineptitude and lack of study?

You might try google (or other search engine of your choosing) and see if you can find a suitable non-professional photo editing software that is free and only costing $10, that *you* are capable of installing.

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On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 07:40:38 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Only access now to the GIMP program is the horizontalTool Bar, which offered so many choices that it was overwhelming. Simple GIMP is NOT.

I haven't read any where that gimp was "simple", and you are confirming that fact?

It's not that complex. Spend an hour or so experimenting and he ought to be able to do basic stuff. I made the transition from another program easily enough a while back.

- Richard.

Richard Kimber

* R Kimber [06-14-15 11:22]:

On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 07:40:38 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Only access now to the GIMP program is the horizontalTool Bar, which offered so many choices that it was overwhelming. Simple GIMP is NOT.

I haven't read any where that gimp was "simple", and you are confirming that fact?

It's not that complex. Spend an hour or so experimenting and he ought to be able to do basic stuff. I made the transition from another program easily enough a while back.

No, really it is not, but the OP was not really interested in expending any energy. {S}He wanted something to automagically install and work photos after bungling the system upgrade, and wanted to convey the blame onto the "Rest of the World".

I *should* have passed, but ....

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On 06/14/2015 11:15 AM, R Kimber wrote:

On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 07:40:38 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

Only access now to the GIMP program is the horizontalTool Bar, which offered so many choices that it was overwhelming. Simple GIMP is NOT.

I haven't read any where that gimp was "simple", and you are confirming that fact?

It's not that complex. Spend an hour or so experimenting and he ought to be able to do basic stuff. I made the transition from another program easily enough a while back.

I'm not the one to ask because I have been using the GIMP since Tor Lillqvist's early Windows ports. (Lesson learned: Save early, save often!) But I find it hard to believe that this set of e-z howto docs would not get any new user up to speed on simple, routine stuff in a couple of hours:

http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-tutorial-quickies.html

:o)

Steve

I'm not the one to ask because I have been using the GIMP since Tor Lillqvist's early Windows ports. (Lesson learned: Save early, save often!) But I find it hard to believe that this set of e-z howto docs would not get any new user up to speed on simple, routine stuff in a couple of hours:

http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/gimp-tutorial-quickies.html

:o)

Steve

Gimp destroyed image pixels and it takes time to learn. Maybe in another 10 years gimp will be up to speed.

to be honest, what you are experiencing is the upgrading of your operating system to yosemite.
i used to have macs for years and often i would find that after a few upgrades the market didnt support various versions of older software so they stopped developing it for newer macs. it sounds like you should go back and have one machine for your older software that you were comfortable with, and a newer one for the other features youre seeking. or dual partition your hard drive so you can have both! :) dan

On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 3:06 PM, Tennessee wrote:

Downloaded Yosemite.
It destroyed my 7 year old free PhotoStudio. PhotoStudio was fairly easy to learn and provided ALL the tools one needed to alter
photos with very professional results. Easy sizing of tools. Easy choices of color. Easy learning of various tools. Great software. It was developed
then for the Wannabe editors for personal use. and it was FREE. Just challenging enough.
I'm distraught in having lost it.
----------------------------------
Being FREE, I chose Gimp as a replacement, thinking Gimp was going to be simple, like the old PhotoStudio was..

My Yosemite wouldn't allow download. I downloaded MacPorts.. no good. The 3rd download you offered, it opened right up. First off, tool box and color chart popped up...easy choices. Vertical box which I assume had sizing & layers within but not simple to understand at first viewing.

Next day, Only the Image Manipulation Window appears....No tool box choices. No color choices. No whatever that vertical box was trying to convey...

Only access now to the GIMP program is the horizontalTool Bar, which offered so many choices that it was overwhelming. Simple GIMP is NOT.

You know...there are a million of us intermediates out there that NEED learning software. A free service should be aimed toward intermediates like me...who found PhotoStudio just difficult enough to challenge but easy to learn, and a delight to use. I'd be glad to pay $10 for a Free software that helps me edit pictures for fun and a professional look with simple tools.

Your GIMP is for the professional person...why do you give it away.

Why don't you have TWO free offers...one to attract the professional who wants your complexity for free...and the second to TEACH the beginning-intermediate editor to be a professional editor who could understand and use your present GIMP.

Give us, for example, the old PhotoStudio simplicity as a free software editor. That was a GREAT photo editor. I recommended it to everyone I knew. Now it's obsolete. What a pity... everyone now is supposed to be a learned professional and we intermediates are left out. Sincerely. Frances
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On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 5:54 AM Tennessee wrote:

Downloaded Yosemite.
It destroyed my 7 year old free PhotoStudio. ...

I'm distraught in having lost it.

I'm sorry to hear it! It sucks when a piece of software you rely on and enjoy using goes away because the company no longer supports or updates it. If only there was some way to let motivated people continue building and expanding on the software for others...

Being FREE, I chose Gimp as a replacement, thinking Gimp was going to be simple, like the old PhotoStudio was..

I'm genuinely curious, __*why did you think this__*?

Again, I'm curious, why did you assume that GIMP would be like your previous software? I understand that you may be frustrated with learning to use a new tool, but WHY would you assume that the new tool would be anything like the other one you were using?

A free service should be aimed toward intermediates like me...who found PhotoStudio just difficult enough to challenge but easy to learn, and a delight to use. I'd be glad to pay $10 for a Free software that helps me edit pictures for fun and a professional look with simple tools.

Why should a "Free" service be aimed toward anything other than what it wants to aim for? Or did you mean: "I want YOUR free software to cater to MY requirements only..."?

If you're willing to pay $10 for a "free" software, then I anxiously await your donation here:

http://www.gimp.org/donating/

Your GIMP is for the professional person...why do you give it away.

Because we belong in a tree (ie: we're NUTS!)

Why don't you have TWO free offers...one to attract the professional who

wants your complexity for free...and the second to TEACH the beginning-intermediate editor to be a professional editor who could understand and use your present GIMP.

How about we have ONE offer, and you can choose to learn to use it, or not?

I'm curious, did you even check these things out:

http://www.gimp.org/docs/

In particular, the tutorials section that covers many of the basics to get started:

http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/

Or perhaps searching for tutorials to help you get started?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=gimp+beginner+tutorial

What about the many different communities around that are focused on GIMP:

http://www.gimpchat.com http://gimpforums.com/

Or if you're interested in photography-related tutorials (disclaimer: this links to my own site with some basics GIMP tutorials):

http://blog.patdavid.net/p/getting-around-in-gimp.html (more advanced) http://pixls.us

If there are simple questions that you need help with to get started, I suggest that instead of sending an email to the mailing list lamenting the loss of your precious other software, and expressing disdain that a volunteer-run software project doesn't match your commercial software for your particular uses, that you rather approach the list with questions regarding the use of the new software to help support your particular workflow.

There are many, many helpful and friendly folks here who would be more than happy to help direct you to answers to your problems...

pat david

Tennessee wrote:

Next day, Only the Image Manipulation Window appears....No tool box choices. No color choices. No whatever that vertical box was trying to convey...

From the sound of things, my guess is that you inadvertently hit the Tab key on your keyboard (in GIMP, if you press that, it hides everything other than the image window.

Try launching GIMP again and press Tab to see if those other dialogues come back.

-Jason

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On 06/17/2015 03:45 PM, Jason van Gumster wrote:

Tennessee wrote:

Next day, Only the Image Manipulation Window appears....No tool box choices. No color choices. No whatever that vertical box was trying to convey...

From the sound of things, my guess is that you inadvertently hit the Tab key on

your keyboard (in GIMP, if you press that, it hides everything other than the image window.

Try launching GIMP again and press Tab to see if those other dialogues come back.

Or right-click on the editing window (technically the "canvas") A menu will open, do Windows > Toolbox.

Which also turns out to be control-b on the keyboard, per the tooltip on the menu item. I didn't know that.

But I didn't realize, either, that accidentally closing the toolbox then re-opening it via the Toolbox menu item or etc. brings up a new one: The user's tool selection remains as it was, but the dockable dialogs are flushed.

Putting the docks back is easy enough, but just as a bit of UI polish, it would be nice if the GIMP wrote a more complete config file on Toolbox closing, so as to add the thing "as the user left it" to the Recently Closed dialog in the Windows menu for one-click restoration.

:o)

Steve

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