Today GIMP for Windows is in the fifth place among the most downloaded applications from sourceforge.net. So Gimp is a real brand name ;).

That way, gimp.org would become an irrelevant historical artifact. And one of the most common complaints from our American users (for whom the GIMP means more than just a chatracter in Pulp Fiction) goes away in the process.

Cheers,
Dave.

On Tuesday, September 26, 2006, 11:29:31, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote:

Today GIMP for Windows is in the fifth place among the most downloaded applications from sourceforge.net.

Add to that that it's the most downloaded non-p2p program on sf.net :)

Hi Dave,

On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 11:15 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:

We could rename the GIMP to something else like GNU masterstroke

That was probably the most stupid direction that you could have steered this discussion into. Thanks for ruining an effort to actually discuss a problem that we seem unable to deal with.

Sven

Hi,

On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 13:07 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:

So another idea is to persuade Shawn to move everything gimp.org to another server (perhaps somewhere in gnome.org/RedHat's colo to take advantage of their sysadmin team?), update the DNS records and move on with our lives with new sysadmins.

Come on, nobody wants this. Before we can even ask Yosh for revoking someone's email address, we need to agree on rules about the use of the gimp.org aliases. That's what I would like us to talk about now. Everything else seems very counterproductive to me.

Sven

On Wed, Sep 27, 2006 at 08:36:09PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:

Hi,

On Wed, 2006-09-27 at 13:07 +0200, Dave Neary wrote:

So another idea is to persuade Shawn to move everything gimp.org to another server (perhaps somewhere in gnome.org/RedHat's colo to take advantage of their sysadmin team?), update the DNS records and move on with our lives with new sysadmins.

Come on, nobody wants this. Before we can even ask Yosh for revoking someone's email address, we need to agree on rules about the use of the gimp.org aliases. That's what I would like us to talk about now. Everything else seems very counterproductive to me.

I think policing it at all is silly. Back in the day, we even gave out @gimp.org aliases as contest prizes, and monitoring that usage is impractical.

I don't get where the expectation that postings from gimp.org addresses should be considered as anything but the individual expression of the author. Expecting a volunteer organization to have a rigid public face is ridiculous.

One really should evaluate emails on the actual *content*, and not what the From address says. There are several active contributors who do not use gimp.org addresses, assuming their comments should have "less weight" is rather rude.

Can we please stop cluttering the development mailing list with this now?

-Yosh

Hi Yosh,

On Thu, 2006-09-28 at 01:50 -0700, Manish Singh wrote:

One really should evaluate emails on the actual *content*, and not what the From address says. There are several active contributors who do not use gimp.org addresses, assuming their comments should have "less weight" is rather rude.

You ignore the fact that we are not actually discussing whether a mail from gimp.org has more or less weight. What we are discussing is abuse of the gimp.org email domain. I agree that we should not try to monitor what people are doing with their gimp.org alias, but if abuse is reported multiple times, we have to do something about it.

Can we please stop cluttering the development mailing list with this now?

I am not really willing to ignore this issue any longer. I have had several reports from people who received mails from carol@gimp.org that can be described as very irritating, to say the least. I think that we can not any longer ignore this problem. I have asked Carol multiple times to stop sending such mails, or at least not to use the gimp.org mail alias for it. She has ignored these requests and did it again. What do you suggest that we do?

Sven

On Thu, Sep 28, 2006 at 07:31:56PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:

I am not really willing to ignore this issue any longer. I have had several reports from people who received mails from carol@gimp.org that can be described as very irritating, to say the least. I think that we can not any longer ignore this problem. I have asked Carol multiple times to stop sending such mails, or at least not to use the gimp.org mail alias for it. She has ignored these requests and did it again. What do you suggest that we do?

i am curious if this mail actually came from me.

i had a bad time in my life. really really really bad. that being said, i can be expected to be as patient with people who might be having a similar bad time. being let down by people you tried to be friends with is a horrible thing. i can thank my newer california 'friends' for this new understanding of how this world works and my ability to overlook it.

right now, the mail i send is to gimp lists and also to old friends and family.

there is a huge group of users on the old wilber computer. i can provide a list of these people. i am willing to guess that anyone of them would be more capable than me of hacking the mail server there.

i find it additionally interesting the people who are new to gimp who have user space there. i was under the impression that wilbers space was very limited and indeed, there is not the space there for gtk to put their tarballs and the new computer sits dead here.

can you share the complaint mail with me? i believe that i am fully capable of being able to determine what mail i authored and what mail i did not author. i even think that it would be useful to look at how the security of the berkeley host is. if you are unable to do this, can you shut up please?

it would be interesting to see if the complaints are about mail i sent.

i totally admit that i am not very happy sharing the same computers with so many screened users. 'neo' being one of them.

and here is an honest question about how the user space is being allocated on both wilber and ircd. karine has space on both computers, where apparently, i have space on wilber but only symbolically on ircd.

i have pulled down my web stuff repeatedly because of the perception i have that we work together. i did this for akkana and i also did and do this for karine. i left gimp-web development because karine spent so much time working on it and for it.

it is karine being edhel online and in bugzilla and in the changelog, am i correct on this? perhaps we should all go through everything that people have a problem and claim what they actually did and did not do and be willing to be responsible for it.

everyone who is unwilling to do this should leave. if i should be sorry that i did not aggressively take what was mine -- i don't actually have a language to be that way. i did not have the language to enable me to keep what was mine before i became involved.

i do not like authoring my email directly from wilber like this. i do like my decision to wait until i/me, my physical body which is totally, typically and predictably human to be in my home with my own internet connection which i pay for from whatever living i can make in this horrible and broken world.

i find it interesting how trying to work with karine and akkana doesn't help much.

i will also find it interesting when i can read the complaints you are getting to see if it is about something i have done or written.

thanks for all of the concern,

carol

On 9/28/06, Manish Singh wrote:

I don't get where the expectation that postings from gimp.org addresses should be considered as anything but the individual expression of the author. Expecting a volunteer organization to have a rigid public face is ridiculous.

When I initially joined the list several years ago I was disappointed in the attitude of one/some "gimp.org" posters because I thought they were in some way associated with the project. There was too much noise and disrespect so I left the list because of it (but have since re-joined).

Personally I don't think it is an unreasonable expectation that someone with a gimp.org email is associated with the project. It may be ridiculous to expect a "rigid" public face, but I think the public should expect the project to have a respectable face.

Can we please stop cluttering the development mailing list with this

now?

The project has a problem. Several people have pointed out the problem. Although not explicitly stated, I would think the purpose of the developer list is to discuss project issues.