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How to deal with UI string changes? scl 29 Jul 08:14
  How to deal with UI string changes? Hartmut Kuhse 29 Jul 08:38
  How to deal with UI string changes? Marco Ciampa 29 Jul 09:02
   How to deal with UI string changes? Alexandre Prokoudine 29 Jul 10:16
    How to deal with UI string changes? Marco Ciampa 29 Jul 13:37
   How to deal with UI string changes? scl 29 Jul 18:51
  How to deal with UI string changes? Alexandre Prokoudine 29 Jul 10:12
   How to deal with UI string changes? Michael Schumacher 29 Jul 10:16
    How to deal with UI string changes? Alexandre Prokoudine 29 Jul 10:20
  How to deal with UI string changes? Michael Natterer 30 Jul 16:39
scl
2014-07-29 08:14:07 UTC (over 10 years ago)

How to deal with UI string changes?

Hi,

I came across some UI strings that are either not or incorrectly translated in 2.8. They range from single strings to a whole dialog.

What are we supposed to do with them? Leave them in their wrong state in 2.8 or correct these bugs in 2.8 because nobody knows when 2.10 will be finally out?

I personally am for the latter alternative because I consider them as bugs.
What do you think?

Kind regards

Sven

Hartmut Kuhse
2014-07-29 08:38:12 UTC (over 10 years ago)

How to deal with UI string changes?

I also consider them as bugs,
so they should be fixed.
Regards
Hatti

Am 29.07.2014 um 10:14 schrieb scl:

Hi,

I came across some UI strings that are either not or incorrectly translated in 2.8. They range from single strings to a whole dialog.

What are we supposed to do with them? Leave them in their wrong state in 2.8 or correct these bugs in 2.8 because nobody knows when 2.10 will be finally out?

I personally am for the latter alternative because I consider them as bugs.
What do you think?

Kind regards

Sven

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Marco Ciampa
2014-07-29 09:02:27 UTC (over 10 years ago)

How to deal with UI string changes?

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:14:07AM +0200, scl wrote:

Hi,

I came across some UI strings that are either not or incorrectly translated in 2.8. They range from single strings to a whole dialog.

Which strings and in which language, more specific please...

What are we supposed to do with them? Leave them in their wrong state in 2.8 or correct these bugs in 2.8 because nobody knows when 2.10 will be finally out?

If you found that the strings are wrong and you think you know how to correct those strings then you can either:

- correct them right away or - file a bug

what's the problem?

You (we) can also try to contact last translators to exhort to update the translations but I think this is better done just (a couple of weeks? a month? We should leave the translators enough time to update...) before that comes out the new version. I think this should be done _every_ time that a new version is ready (string freeze). I do not know if this procedure is already in place...

I personally am for the latter alternative because I consider them as bugs.

I think too that it is a bug.

Please,

- consider that this is just an (my) opinion of a (translator) non-developer... - forgive my bad english

Marco Ciampa

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Alexandre Prokoudine
2014-07-29 10:12:04 UTC (over 10 years ago)

How to deal with UI string changes?

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:14 PM, scl wrote:

Hi,

I came across some UI strings that are either not or incorrectly translated in 2.8. They range from single strings to a whole dialog.

What are we supposed to do with them? Leave them in their wrong state in 2.8 or correct these bugs in 2.8 because nobody knows when 2.10 will be finally out?

I personally am for the latter alternative because I consider them as bugs.

So am I, but my fixes of that kind were reverted the last and only time tried to do that :(

Alex

Alexandre Prokoudine
2014-07-29 10:16:25 UTC (over 10 years ago)

How to deal with UI string changes?

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Marco Ciampa wrote:

If you found that the strings are wrong and you think you know how to correct those strings then you can either:

- correct them right away or - file a bug

https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?h=gimp-2-8&id=95b2375ce18a6d5722f582b09e212b89bc0452f7

https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?h=gimp-2-8&id=0bc0078dec2eaec43a5f52fa5bff4db312303935

Based on this, what would be the point of fixing anything?

Alex

Michael Schumacher
2014-07-29 10:16:51 UTC (over 10 years ago)

How to deal with UI string changes?

On July 29, 2014 12:12:04 PM CEST, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

So am I, but my fixes of that kind were reverted the last and only time tried to do that :(

Is this thread about errors in strings in the GIMP source code, or about errors in the corresponding translations?

Regards, 
Michael
Alexandre Prokoudine
2014-07-29 10:20:26 UTC (over 10 years ago)

How to deal with UI string changes?

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

On July 29, 2014 12:12:04 PM CEST, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

So am I, but my fixes of that kind were reverted the last and only time tried to do that :(

Is this thread about errors in strings in the GIMP source code, or about errors in the corresponding translations?

Oh, you are right. Sorry.

Alex

Marco Ciampa
2014-07-29 13:37:33 UTC (over 10 years ago)

How to deal with UI string changes?

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 02:16:25PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 1:02 PM, Marco Ciampa wrote:

On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 10:14:07AM +0200, scl wrote:

Hi,

I came across some UI strings that are either not or incorrectly translated in 2.8. They range from single strings to a whole dialog.

If you found that the strings are wrong and you think you know how to correct those strings then you can either:

- correct them right away or - file a bug

https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?h=gimp-2-8&id=95b2375ce18a6d5722f582b09e212b89bc0452f7

https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/commit/?h=gimp-2-8&id=0bc0078dec2eaec43a5f52fa5bff4db312303935

Based on this, what would be the point of fixing anything?

These are not translations.
IMHO usually in a stable branch corrections to the strings are due only to important bugs in the messages. Small corrections could always be committed to the master (dev) branch.

Forgive the bad english.

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Marco Ciampa

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scl
2014-07-29 18:51:28 UTC (over 10 years ago)

How to deal with UI string changes?

Hi Marco,

On 29.7.2014 at 11:02 AM Marco Ciampa wrote:

Which strings and in which language, more specific please...

it's about German. I found some strings there that don't comply with the German default dictionary. And then there is this monster dialog to create a path from a selection... (IIRC you had a discussion with Mitch in IRC whether to translate it in 2.8 a while ago. I'm still hesitating whether it's better to translate it to at least provide anything slightly usable or to replace the dialog with something better and translate that).

If you found that the strings are wrong and you think you know how to correct those strings then you can either:

- correct them right away or - file a bug

Ok, thank you.

- forgive my bad english

No need to apologize, you are understood.

Kind regards

Sven

Michael Natterer
2014-07-30 16:39:56 UTC (over 10 years ago)

How to deal with UI string changes?

On Tue, 2014-07-29 at 10:14 +0200, scl wrote:

Hi,

I came across some UI strings that are either not or incorrectly translated in 2.8. They range from single strings to a whole dialog.

You need to be more specific.

Is this about not or wrongly translatED strings, or are these strings unstranslatABLE?

We can at any point fix or add translations without any restriction whatsoever.

If code changes are involved, the description "some strings" is not very helpful :)

--Mitch

What are we supposed to do with them? Leave them in their wrong state in 2.8 or correct these bugs in 2.8 because nobody knows when 2.10 will be finally out?

I personally am for the latter alternative because I consider them as bugs.
What do you think?

Kind regards

Sven

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