Hello,

Lately several people have asked why we won't do crowdfunding for GIMP. The general position of GIMP developers towards this proposition is that the core developers usually have "day jobs", thus won't raise money this way.
Well I am one of them and I don't have a day job right now, thus I have decided to give it a try.

During the Libre Graphics Meeting in Madrid, the painter who was with me tried the mirror mode during Krita workshop. And I thought it would be a nice addition to the GIMP. Apparently I am not alone because I see regularly messages asking for it.

So I started a test implementation to see how it would go. And it works well. See the demo: http://youtu.be/osSiETyae5c

But now if I want it in GIMP, this is where it will really take time, to make a nice and clean implementation and a well-thought internal design. So I start a crowdfunding initiative. Have a look there with all the explanation: http://girinstud.io/news/2013/09/crowdfunding-proposal-for-symmetrymirror-painting-in-gimp/

And if you like it, please fund me and spread the word: http://funding.openinitiative.com/funding/1578/ Thanks!

Jehan

Hi,

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 5:11 PM, FallenLegend wrote:

I support this idea but I don't think we should limit ourselves to this feature.

About this, my first idea was that I saw many crowdfunding which were a "do-all" kind of funding, but in the end, after huge successful funding, well people would still wait for real news or advancement in the software 1 or 2 years later.
I have nothing against big do-all projects, and I think that's a good thing to do too, but I would love more user control, not just a "I take all your money and leave" kind of campaign from some team. I think making 1 feature at a time is already a nice start to do things where users can actually see what happens and control. I will consider a bigger project if this one succeeds.

All the long term goals the team has could easily be solved with hiring more personal.

There is no "personal" in GIMP. Nobody is employed by GIMP right now. And actually GIMP is not even an official structure. The only official entity which supports GIMP is the GNOME foundation, but I feel they act more as a proxy for all official matters (donations, events, volunteer reimbursements, website and bug tracking infrastructure...). GIMP is far from the only project under their protection, and probably far from the priority. We are all "volunteers" here, for the time being.

I don't say that could never happen. And seriously I would love to be this one guy paid full-time to work on GIMP and do all the nitty features everyone wants. Nevertheles if really people want this, well a good way to prove it is to actually fund these kind of features! Because everyone sees these also as a test to see if crowdfunding would really work for bigger projects. I mean right now, people say so, but in reality, there has been nearly no funding for my simple and small proposal so far. How can we trust that if we make a big proposal, people would pay for it, or we would just waste more time? Note also that even if I make a huge do-them-all proposal, I would still have to work on things on a one-per-one basis (because I still have only a single brain, however how much money is paid! :p), so that would not change that much.

In any case, if ever my crowdfunding works, I will consider make some bigger plan proposal for a next crowdfunding, and see if t is possible to get backed up officially by the rest of the GIMP team and GNOME (maybe I would even be happy to sign a contract with the GNOME foundation to be an official community-employee, so that we ensure the money is well used). But right now, there is still to be seen if people really want to pay for it, or just say they would and wait for the neighbour to do so.

I am all for more features specifically for painters :)

Good so I hope you are for this feature and would pay for it! :p Thanks for the interest anyway!

Jehan

Hello,

Lately several people have asked why we won't do crowdfunding for GIMP. The general position of GIMP developers towards this proposition is that the core developers usually have "day jobs", thus won't raise money this way.
Well I am one of them and I don't have a day job right now, thus I have decided to give it a try.

During the Libre Graphics Meeting in Madrid, the painter who was with me tried the mirror mode during Krita workshop. And I thought it would be a nice addition to the GIMP. Apparently I am not alone because I see regularly messages asking for it.

So I started a test implementation to see how it would go. And it works well. See the demo: http://youtu.be/osSiETyae5c

But now if I want it in GIMP, this is where it will really take time, to make a nice and clean implementation and a well-thought internal design. So I start a crowdfunding initiative. Have a look there with all the explanation: http://girinstud.io/news/2013/09/crowdfunding-proposal-for-symmetrymirror-painting-in-gimp/

And if you like it, please fund me and spread the word: http://funding.openinitiative.com/funding/1578/ Thanks!

Jehan

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Hi,

On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:25 PM, FallenLegend wrote:

Hello there!

You make some great points as of now I just posted on deviantart to promote your crowdfunding and also contacted gizmodo spain/usa and UK to see if they are willing to help spread the word!.I will do my best.

Thanks for this.

Keep in mind though that "open funding" is not as popular as let's say lifehacker is so it might hurt earnings a bit. But I am hopeful that you will be succesful.

I am aware of this. This is a pretty new platform. My reasons are that I don't like too much too much centralization, like everyone using the same services. Also OpenFunding is for Free Software, so philosophically they are closer to what I do. Finally I like to give outsiders their chances. If everyone was just acting only on what is best for himself "now", well it will bite them later on, when the only companies are the big ones and choice does not exist anymore.

Of course, if really it was to "hurt" me to do so, I am not masochist, and in a next crowdfunding attempt, I may go for a more common platform (a little sad, but I can't kill myself just to be nice to someone else). But if the only consequence is to get me slightly less fund (but I still reach my objective), well that's good enough for me. :-)

I was all for a "big do all proyect" as people are more willing to give money for those ( I have seen proyects collecting millions for those. But I think that your approach of testing the waters first is completely justifiable.

Yes I have seen projects collecting huge amount of money. But even though some actually went somewhere, I also saw many like "disappear" in nature. I don't say that they had the intent at the beginning, but maybe they realized the project was too complicated to succeed, or they got bored of the project, or whatever. But whichever the reason, the result is same: no deliverables, but still everyone paid. And there are also a few cases of Free Software who did it (I won't name, but I'm sure we all have a few names in our head). That's really uncool.

I will try to contact other news networks and forums to spread the word tommorow:)

You have all my support and good luck!.

Cool. Thanks!

Jehan

Hi,
About this, my first idea was that I saw many crowdfunding which were a "do-all" kind of funding, but in the end, after huge successful funding, well people would still wait for real news or advancement in the software 1 or 2 years later.
I have nothing against big do-all projects, and I think that's a good thing to do too, but I would love more user control, not just a "I take all your money and leave" kind of campaign from some team. I think making 1 feature at a time is already a nice start to do things where users can actually see what happens and control. I will consider a bigger project if this one succeeds. There is no "personal" in GIMP. Nobody is employed by GIMP right now. And actually GIMP is not even an official structure. The only official entity which supports GIMP is the GNOME foundation, but I feel they act more as a proxy for all official matters (donations, events, volunteer reimbursements, website and bug tracking infrastructure...). GIMP is far from the only project under their protection, and probably far from the priority. We are all "volunteers" here, for the time being.

I don't say that could never happen. And seriously I would love to be this one guy paid full-time to work on GIMP and do all the nitty features everyone wants. Nevertheles if really people want this, well a good way to prove it is to actually fund these kind of features! Because everyone sees these also as a test to see if crowdfunding would really work for bigger projects. I mean right now, people say so, but in reality, there has been nearly no funding for my simple and small proposal so far. How can we trust that if we make a big proposal, people would pay for it, or we would just waste more time? Note also that even if I make a huge do-them-all proposal, I would still have to work on things on a one-per-one basis (because I still have only a single brain, however how much money is paid! :p), so that would not change that much.

In any case, if ever my crowdfunding works, I will consider make some bigger plan proposal for a next crowdfunding, and see if t is possible to get backed up officially by the rest of the GIMP team and GNOME (maybe I would even be happy to sign a contract with the GNOME foundation to be an official community-employee, so that we ensure the money is well used). But right now, there is still to be seen if people really want to pay for it, or just say they would and wait for the neighbour to do so.
Good so I hope you are for this feature and would pay for it! :p Thanks for the interest anyway!

Jehan

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Hi,

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote:

Jehan Pagès writes:

[...]

And if you like it, please fund me and spread the word: http://funding.openinitiative.com/funding/1578/

That page won't let me log in after registering + verifying (no error message, I just get redirected back to the login page).

I asked the guys at OpenFunding if there is a problem with login.

Do you have a BTC address or flattr account at least?

I don't use BTC, but I do have a flattr account (never been used up to now, but it exists): https://flattr.com/thing/1132266

:-)

Jehan

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Hi again,

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:43 AM, Jehan Pagès wrote:

Hi,

On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Kevin Brubeck Unhammer wrote:

Jehan Pagès writes:

[...]

And if you like it, please fund me and spread the word: http://funding.openinitiative.com/funding/1578/

That page won't let me log in after registering + verifying (no error message, I just get redirected back to the login page).

I asked the guys at OpenFunding if there is a problem with login.

The OpenFunding people told me that your account is well activated, so there should be no problem.
They think that maybe you have deactivated cookies.

If that's not else, you may write the wrong password. You should be able to reset it there:
http://funding.openinitiative.com/user/resetpassword

Regards,

Jehan

Do you have a BTC address or flattr account at least?

I don't use BTC, but I do have a flattr account (never been used up to now, but it exists): https://flattr.com/thing/1132266

:-)

Jehan

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