On 11/19/11 07:40, M. Al-Bedah wrote:

Dear Gimp Developers
I completely support Open Source applications. Unfortunately I am not a developer, but I heavily depend & encourage developers & Open Source OS's & applications. I support by spreading the word, educating people, & provide financial aids to assist developers enhance their products.

Gimp is a very excellent product. However, as a photographer, I can confirm that it lacks several features, therefore I end up using Photoshop, ACDSee, etc. I have seen other Image editing (open source) apps & I know those features are do-able. I totally understand that all of you are developing your products for free. What would it take, & more importantly how much would it cost, to roll out features like: 1) Content Award scale - fill
2) Adjustment layers for non destructive workflow 3) LAB Mode
4) RAW images editor
5) Calculation tool
6) Enhance filters to have more (like photoshop) & especially (fill 50%) and (Highpass)
7) convert to smart layer / filter for non destructive workflow 8) file browser (like bridge) to classify, tag, organize, photos.

I understand I am asking for a lot. But if "Funding" is the issue, I know group of photographer who would like nothing but to contribute. & I can deliver them. The problem with Gimp now is that it does not offer those pro tools. Yet some of those tools are available in other open source apps like Pinta, Rawtherapee, Shotwell, etc.

Thank you for your time & support Mo Al-Bedah

I'll let core devs answer this excellent initiative. One comment on your requests:

> 6) Enhance filters to have more (like photoshop) & especially (fill 50%) > and (Highpass)

Gaussian blur is a low pass , you could presumably do a high-pass without too much effort by subtraction. Equally well, that means this feature could be implemented with minimal effort.

Having it fully integrated with a preview dlg would be a good feature and probably would not "cost" too much ;)

regards. GG.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, M. Al-Bedah wrote:

your products for free. What would it take, & more importantly how much would it cost, to roll out features like: 1) Content Award scale - fill

Bothe content-ware scaling and filling have beem available for GIMP for ages, even before Photoshop got them. Those are two 3rd party plug-ins: liquid rescale and resynthesizer.

2) Adjustment layers for non destructive workflow

Yes

3) LAB Mode

Yes

4) RAW images editor

UFRaw has been available for GIMP since 2003 or so. Personally I just use darktable.

5) Calculation tool

Pleaase elaborate

6) Enhance filters to have more (like photoshop) & especially (fill 50%) and (Highpass)

Highpass is available as a 3rd party plug-in.

7) convert to smart layer / filter for non destructive workflow

You really want to stop using Photoshop terminology and switch to plain English :) Are we talking about smart objects i.e. embedding other documents as layers?

8) file browser (like bridge) to classify, tag, organize, photos.

Do not want :)

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

8) file browser (like bridge) to classify, tag, organize, photos.

Do not want :)

To elaborate on that, file management is not graphics editors job. It's a whole separate tool. For photos I use digikam. Really nice tool for managing photo files at least for me.

To elaborate on that, file management is not graphics editors job. It's a whole separate tool. For photos I use digikam.

A file browser (Adobe "Brigde") makes sense in Adobe apps because they're all inter-connected and having an improved file management tool to exchange assets between tools (more efficiently than the questionable windows file explorer) is useful. Anyway, Bridge as far as I can remember was a heavy slug and it didn't bring much benefit.
Our "design suite" applications aren't connected like Adobe's and won't be in the foreseeable future.

Regarding the rest of the feature requests, most of them are available as third party plugins.
There are serveral interesting RAW packages. UFRAW has a module that imports directly to GIMP, pretty much like Adobe Camera Raw does. Maybe the rest of the available packages (Darktable, Rawtherapee, etc) could get some similar modules to interface with GIMP. That would be interesting.

The non-destructive tools would be really welcome. You seem to miss one important request for photographic workflow: working with higher bit depth.
Current 8 bpc isn't enough for high quality manipulation.

Fortunately, making GIMP's core less destructive is high in the priorities list for next versions.
I'm not a developer, but I'd suggest you to focus your effort on backing the full migration to GEGL which will give much better quality and non-destructive editing. The rest can and will be constructed on top of it.

You really want to stop using Photoshop terminology and switch to plain English :) Are we talking about smart objects i.e. embedding other documents as layers?

@Prokoudine: Smart objects in Adobe are external "linked" assets. For instance you can import a vector logo from a different app and the raster application will rasterize it dinamically. If you change the external file, the changes will be reflected in the "smart" layer. It's an interesting concept and can be also used to convert an internal layer as a dynamic object, in order to apply the transformation stack without destroying the original pixels. iirc that's pretty much the idea with GEGL too, so we're fine :)

Question is in the title (Gimp 2.6). Yes, I learned about clean_all(), but I'm curious about the rationale.

On 11/19/2011 05:15 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, M. Al-Bedah wrote:

7) convert to smart layer / filter for non destructive workflow

You really want to stop using Photoshop terminology and switch to plain English :) Are we talking about smart objects i.e. embedding other documents as layers?

He might also be referring to "Layer Styles" which are non-destructive filters which can be applied to layers (drop shadow, bevel/emboss, outer glow, color fill, gradient fill, etc.). I believe that's a planned future feature that will built on top of GEGL as well.

8) file browser (like bridge) to classify, tag, organize, photos.

Do not want :)

I agree with Mr. Prokoudine, Alexia Death and Gespertino. This functionality most likely isn't going to be incorporated into Gimp. In fact, it's an odd request since Adobe didn't incorporate it into Photoshop either, it built two additional programs.

I can't quite grasp why Bridge and LightTable are two separate applications, but as a professional designer I've never used or seen any of my peers use them. However, it seems like applications like DarkTable and Shotwell are already very good open source equivalents for the Adobe products.

Jason Simanek

On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 6:57 AM, Jason Simanek wrote:

8) file browser (like bridge) to classify, tag, organize, photos.

Do not want :)

I agree with Mr. Prokoudine, Alexia Death and Gespertino. This functionality most likely isn't going to be incorporated into Gimp. In fact, it's an odd request since Adobe didn't incorporate it into Photoshop either, it built two additional programs.

I can't quite grasp why Bridge and LightTable are two separate applications,

Um, you mean Lightroom?

but as a professional designer I've never used or seen any of my peers use them. However, it seems like applications like DarkTable and Shotwell are already very good open source equivalents for the Adobe products.

As a matter of fact Jon Cruz of Inkscape fame started working on a Bridge-like application a while ago, but I don't think he ever finished it.

Apps like Bridge are quite useful if you use clipart a lot, especially when such an application supports public APIs from online stock photography sellers, which means you search for what you need in just one place.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org