On Saturday 08 December 2007 8:08:58 am Tom Purl wrote:

I've recently started manipulating layers with Gimp 2.4, (on Windows) and it order to be more standards-compliant, I have been saving my images as PSD files . In general, this has worked pretty well for me, except that the Gimp crashes a couple of times an hour. The operations that cause the Gimp to crash are pretty simple, and usually cannot be reproduced.

Is this flakiness the result of using the Gimp on Windows or the result of using PSD files instead of XCF files?

Thanks in advance!

I wonder which ISO , or other, standard you think PSD files conform to... They are simply the native file format of Adobe Photoshop. You should not be using them as the "standard" format for GIMP, since it has its own native format, XCF. Try using it instead of PSD and see if GIMP's stability issues disappear.

It is the PSD format problem. GIMP uses XCF as it's native format and it is the only format which supports ALL gimp's features. You should always save your images as XCF to avoid any data loss (such as text formatting, composition modes and so). If you need to reuse the image in PS afterwards you should save to PSD only after you are not likely to edit the image in GIMP again. If you don't need to use the image in photoshop then there is no point in saving to PSD.

On 12/8/07, Scott wrote:

On Saturday 08 December 2007 8:08:58 am Tom Purl wrote:

I've recently started manipulating layers with Gimp 2.4, (on Windows) and it order to be more standards-compliant, I have been saving my images as PSD files . In general, this has worked pretty well for me, except that the Gimp crashes a couple of times an hour. The operations that cause the Gimp to crash are pretty simple, and usually cannot be reproduced.

Is this flakiness the result of using the Gimp on Windows or the result of using PSD files instead of XCF files?

Thanks in advance!

I wonder which ISO , or other, standard you think PSD files conform to... They are simply the native file format of Adobe Photoshop. You should not be using them as the "standard" format for GIMP, since it has its own native format, XCF. Try using it instead of PSD and see if GIMP's stability issues disappear. --
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Hi,

On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 10:08 -0600, Tom Purl wrote:

I've recently started manipulating layers with Gimp 2.4, (on Windows) and it order to be more standards-compliant, I have been saving my images as PSD files . In general, this has worked pretty well for me, except that the Gimp crashes a couple of times an hour. The operations that cause the Gimp to crash are pretty simple, and usually cannot be reproduced.

Is this flakiness the result of using the Gimp on Windows or the result of using PSD files instead of XCF files?

I don't see how the file-format that you use could possibly affect stability. When the file is loaded, it's an image. No matter if it was loaded from an XCF file or from a PSD.

GIMP 2.4.2 seems to be very stable for most people. So it is likely that there is something wrong with your setup. Or you are just doing something unusual or are running an uncommon configuration. If you can reliably reproduce a crash, we would appreciate if you filed a bug report for it.

Sven

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If you need to reuse the image
in PS afterwards you should save to PSD only after you are not likely to edit the image in GIMP again.

This statement is a little confusing.

Basically, always keep your current, up-to-date working image saved as xcf. If a Photoshop user needs to see the work, save a "copy" of your working file (xcf) to psd.

Another consideration is whether a Photoshop user needs to make edits to the file as well. Well, that's an easy one; just have them install GIMP! ;)

Eric

On Saturday 08 December 2007 13:08, Tom Purl wrote:

I've recently started manipulating layers with Gimp 2.4, (on Windows) and it order to be more standards-compliant, I have been saving my images as PSD files .

"standards compliant with PSD files" ..thats is really funny. For uyou r information, PSD files are in no way standard. They are a proprietary format with closed specs - that is, only ADOBEknows fully well how to write and read these files.

GIMP implements .PSD handling up to version 6 of Adobe Photoshop - that is, up to the time the specification of PSD were open.

You should save your work in progress in .XCF format, which is GIMP native. When sending your files to other, non-gimp users, people you should send .PNG which is a standard, and only in case you have to pass image layers alogn, and the other person refuses to install GIMP himself, you should save in .PSD

In general, this has worked pretty well for me, except that the Gimp crashes a couple of times an hour. The operations that cause the Gimp to crash are pretty simple, and usually cannot be reproduced.

Now you go a point - the crashes should not happen. There shpuld be something that trigger than, and it would be important that yyou could isolate the cause (it could even be the fact that you opened the image from a .PSD file) of the crashes and report it to developers (at http://bugzilla.gimp.org ).

Is this flakiness the result of using the Gimp on Windows or the result of using PSD files instead of XCF files?

GIMP in windows should not crash this often. Try working with XCF for a while and check if crashes stop. If not - oh well.... "format and re-install" ?? (that is if you can find no gimp-usgae pattern that triggers the crash, it might be related to some defective system or base library - which indeed would be fixed with a fresh system install)

Thanks in advance!

Tom Purl

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