Is there any way to get the print dialog in 2.4 to work like the old Gimp-Print one? The new one is hopeless: doesn't list my printers (which the old one didn't either but at least I could tell it about them), won't take a .ppd file to set printable area or indeed any other feature of the printers, refuses to remember ANY details of any sort so when printing a series of images of the same size, for example, I have to select "ignore printer margins" for each one (and I have no idea what those print margins are nor where they originate) and type the name of the printer manually every time, which gets tedious very quickly.

I assume that the print dialog in 2.4 is a placeholder for soemthing else but I don't know what. Should I be using Gutenprint now?

Thomas

Duh! I'm on Linux (Gentoo) with Gimp 2.4.1 installed. Should have said; I keep forgetting there's other platforms out there!

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 13:27:38 -0000, norman wrote:

Is there any way to get the print dialog in 2.4 to work like the old Gimp-Print one? The new one is hopeless: doesn't list my printers (which the old one didn't either but at least I could tell it about them), won't
take a .ppd file to set printable area or indeed any other feature of the
printers, refuses to remember ANY details of any sort so when printing a series of images of the same size, for example, I have to select "ignore printer margins" for each one (and I have no idea what those print margins
are nor where they originate) and type the name of the printer manually every time, which gets tedious very quickly.

I believe a lot depends on which version of Gimp one uses so an indication of the operating system could be helpful. I am unfortunate in that I haven't yet got Gimp 2.4.1 installed as there is nothing yet for non-techies using Ubuntu. However, according to the image in Akkana Peck's book it looks the same as in earlier versions of Gimp as does the page in Gimp 2.4 rc3.

I assume that the print dialog in 2.4 is a placeholder for soemthing else
but I don't know what. Should I be using Gutenprint now?

I believe that printing in Gimp is via a plugin which on Linux systems is Gutenprint.

Norman

That's great, thanks.

Bought the book, by the way. Very useful even though I've been using Gimp for quite a long time now.

Thomas

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:00:18 -0000, Akkana Peck wrote:

Thomas Worthington writes:

Is there any way to get the print dialog in 2.4 to work like the old Gimp-Print one? The new one is hopeless: doesn't list my printers

(which

norman writes:

that I haven't yet got Gimp 2.4.1 installed as there is nothing yet for non-techies using Ubuntu. However, according to the image in Akkana Peck's book it looks the same as in earlier versions of Gimp as does the page in Gimp 2.4 rc3.

The new GTK print system wasn't introduced into GIMP until after "Beginning GIMP" went to press, so the dialogs shown in the book are the Gutenprint ones, not the new default print dialog that comes from GTK.

I assume that the print dialog in 2.4 is a placeholder for soemthing

else

but I don't know what. Should I be using Gutenprint now?

You can still get the Gutenprint plug-in from the project's web site http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ -- or you may be able to install it as part of your distro. Ubuntu Gutsy seems to install Gutenprint by default, instead of the gtk print plug-in, but I don't know what other distros are doing with 2.4. You can have both installed -- they'll show up in the File menu as "Print" and "Print with Gutenprint".

I use Gutenprint myself, because of the control it gives me over resolution, paper type, and placement on the page, its live preview, and because GTK print is still a bit buggy; but GTK's print has improved quite a bit recently, so it may yet become usable.

On Sun, 04 Nov 2007 10:31:25 -0000, Sven Neumann wrote:

The new dialog shows all the system printers. On a Linux system that is the printers that you installed as CUPS printers. This is usually done using gnome-cups-manager or an euqivalent printer manager. Installation of printers is out of scope for an application's Print dialog.

Ah, well. I don't use Gnome or CUPS. It's never been a problem before.

TW

Just for the record, in case anyone else is having the same problem on Gentoo:

The problem was that Gentoo had the recent versions of Gutenprint which support 2.4 marked as unstable. Allowing their use installed the proper print dialog.

TWW

On Sat, 03 Nov 2007 18:00:18 -0000, Akkana Peck wrote:

Thomas Worthington writes:

Is there any way to get the print dialog in 2.4 to work like the old Gimp-Print one? The new one is hopeless: doesn't list my printers

(which

norman writes:

that I haven't yet got Gimp 2.4.1 installed as there is nothing yet for non-techies using Ubuntu. However, according to the image in Akkana Peck's book it looks the same as in earlier versions of Gimp as does the page in Gimp 2.4 rc3.

The new GTK print system wasn't introduced into GIMP until after "Beginning GIMP" went to press, so the dialogs shown in the book are the Gutenprint ones, not the new default print dialog that comes from GTK.

I assume that the print dialog in 2.4 is a placeholder for soemthing

else

but I don't know what. Should I be using Gutenprint now?

You can still get the Gutenprint plug-in from the project's web site http://gutenprint.sourceforge.net/ -- or you may be able to install it as part of your distro. Ubuntu Gutsy seems to install Gutenprint by default, instead of the gtk print plug-in, but I don't know what other distros are doing with 2.4. You can have both installed -- they'll show up in the File menu as "Print" and "Print with Gutenprint".

I use Gutenprint myself, because of the control it gives me over resolution, paper type, and placement on the page, its live preview, and because GTK print is still a bit buggy; but GTK's print has improved quite a bit recently, so it may yet become usable.