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How damaged photos my camera takes? Juhana Sadeharju 27 Sep 12:50
How damaged photos my camera takes? Juhana Sadeharju 02 Oct 21:55
  How damaged photos my camera takes? Patrick Shanahan 02 Oct 23:36
  How damaged photos my camera takes? singlecell 03 Oct 13:38
  How damaged photos my camera takes? Tim Jedlicka 04 Oct 05:21
Juhana Sadeharju
2006-09-27 12:50:57 UTC (over 18 years ago)

How damaged photos my camera takes?

From: Mogens Jaeger

ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/pics/freephotos/juhana/withstand/IMG_3922.JPG ftp://ftp.funet.fi/pub/pics/freephotos/juhana/withstand/IMG_3923.JPG

As I see your pictures, your problem is not a question on how to use Gimp, but how to use your camera.

[ ... ]

What preciesly is it, you can't find out, and wants help for?

Here I merely asked help in analyzing the problem. And if the problem can be fixed in post processing. Is the white sky overexposed or is the white point at "white" instead of "blue"? Why the trees in 3923 looks pale? Is it because of some kind of overcurving (similar to gamma correction)? They are GIMP related questions.

I asked later in gphoto-user about the camera issues. And plan to ask in rec.photo.* newsgroups if the issue is not clear enough after all this.

Some weeks ago I had a LEGO photo with default white point, and another photo with teached white point. I tried to come up with formula which makes the change of the white point, but for some reason I failed. So, reverse engineering the camera behaviour by matching the photos 3922 and 3923 may be too difficult problem for me.

Juhana

Juhana Sadeharju
2006-10-02 21:55:46 UTC (over 18 years ago)

How damaged photos my camera takes?

How would one correct the photos 7748 and 7749 to look like 7741 and 7751? And at the same time preserving the sunrays?

http://www.funet.fi/~kouhia/7748.jpg (automatic mode) http://www.funet.fi/~kouhia/7749.jpg (manual mode with less exposure) http://www.funet.fi/~kouhia/7741.jpg (automatic mode) http://www.funet.fi/~kouhia/7751.jpg (automatic mode)

Both my attempts uses first the curves tool and then adds saturation, but I have no idea what would be correct/best operations. http://www.funet.fi/~kouhia/7749mod1.png (my attempt 1) http://www.funet.fi/~kouhia/7749mod2.png (my attempt 2)

The curve was designed using the rules: (1) The top values, i.e., sky, are ok and thus curve y = x should be applied at top.
(2) Exposure time was low at bottom+middle and thus curve y = 3x (for example) should be applied there. The linear function y = 3x means that the exposure time is tripled. (3) Some smooth piece of curve connects the bottom and top segments. In practise, I had to use only 4 control points in the curve because more points meant wavy curve. That limited the smooth piece of curve between the bottom and the top greatly.

Better spline would be needed in the curve tool, like what is in the path tool (but note that I have GIMP 1.2.3).

Saturation was added until the photo looked ok enough. The saturation worked like a magic. I wonder why it seems to be needed. Is it a camera property that low exposure works differently than long exposure? Or is it property of the curve tool? I.e., a better curve tool would always add the saturation.

The image 7749mod2 looks tolerable, but the noise is a big problem. I guess better camera would solve that. I could also try the HDR photo techniques as I found Olli's dynamic range extender. I have a code somewhere which I obtained from a person who wrote similar photo combiner for multiple photos, and wrote a Siggraph paper on it. Though, digital cameras could have a sequencer which can be programmed to take multiple photos as fast as possible with different settings (exposure, focus, zoom, etc). No patent pending.

Juhana

Patrick Shanahan
2006-10-02 23:36:19 UTC (over 18 years ago)

How damaged photos my camera takes?

* Juhana Sadeharju [10-02-06 15:58]:

How would one correct the photos 7748 and 7749 to look like 7741 and 7751? And at the same time preserving the sunrays?

First I would not shoot in "auto". A general guide would be to shoot motion sensitive shots in shutter priority mode and scenes in aperture priority mode.

Second I would obtain a basic photography book/manual, particularly one using a canon digital point-and-shoot, and study, comparing the suggestions and examples to your canon ixus 400 manual and camera.

Then try to preform each of the lessons with your camera and see what it takes to achieve the same result.

Then it is time to learn to edit your shots to get them to display more what you intended but were unable to accomplish with your camera.

ps, if I intend to display or provide access to a photo, normailly I use the highest quality mode available on the camera (iso 50, 2272x1704 jpg superfine on your camera) to record the shot. Remember that each time you edit and save a jpg image, you loose a little quality (or much quality depending on the per-centage of compression).

humm, looks like you only have a choice of auto or manual and the iso was 50 (on 7749.jpg) and super-fine @ 2272x1704. Looks like auto white-balance is a good choice for your camera and iso 100 is a problem.

point, learn to use the histogram and use it frequently. Editing a *good* shot is much easier that trying to *make* a good shot after the fact. The second frequently causes noise to become prevalent.

Take multiple shots of the same scene with slightly different settings (aperture and shutter).

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canons400 same as IXUS 400 (April 2003).

gud luk,

singlecell
2006-10-03 13:38:46 UTC (over 18 years ago)

How damaged photos my camera takes?

Juhana Sadeharju wrote:

How would one correct the photos 7748 and 7749 to look like 7741 and 7751? And at the same time preserving the sunrays?

It's not a problem with the camera or the software - it's just a difficult type of image to capture, with too much contrast.

Looks to me like you need to make a composite picture.

If you look at the histogram of the image, you will see it has 2 peaks - one in the darker area, and one in the lighter area. No amount of curves etc is going to fix both, one or the other will be either too light or too dark.

Take the best/enhanced image of the sky, and overlay it with the best/enhanced image of the ground.

There's many websites and magazine articles covering the problem, and one chosen at random from a google search may help: http://www.linuxjournal.com/node/6411/print

Tim Jedlicka
2006-10-04 05:21:29 UTC (over 18 years ago)

How damaged photos my camera takes?

Juhana,
These images are much more workable - good job practicing and learning with your camera. The "correct" way to take this image is with a Graduated Neutral Density filter (GND) - however, since you are using a point and shoot this isn't practical.

As for how I would approach fixing this in GIMP is to open both images. * from the layer dialogue, drag 7748 onto the 7749 image (bright image now on top of dark image)
* Create a quick-mask (the box at the lower left corner of your image) - you should get a red-mask overlayed on your image * go to the channel editor (within the layer dialogue) - note that the mask channel is selected
* select the gradient fill tool, with the default gradient (black to white) start just below the tree line and drag to just above the tree line. This will erase part of the mask
* now in channel dialogue, select the "mask to selection" box (second from right on my version of GIMP)
* (while in channel dialogue, click on mask eyeball to hide the red mask) * Go back to the Layer dialogue and do a cut (CTRL-X) - if everything worked right the tree line should have a nice gradient from bright to the darker sky.

Good luck - difficult instructions to follow, but worth playing with layer masks. google for some gimp tutorial on using masks. By the way - nice job of using the road to lead the eye into the photo. A good compositional techinque.