On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote:

Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on Windows, only specific to Windows?

Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't detected by various people running GIMP-2.9/GIMP-2.10-rc/GIMP-2.10 on Linux?

I'd suggest that one of the reasons is the relative lack of availability of executables during the 2.9 development phase - self compilation not really being an option on Windows.

On 05/11/2018 07:24 AM, Elle Stone wrote:

On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote:

Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on Windows, only specific to Windows?

Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't detected by various people running GIMP-2.9/GIMP-2.10-rc/GIMP-2.10 on Linux?

Someone sent me a private email in response to my list post, suggesting that more people use Windows, than use GIMP (I don't know if that person actually intended to send a private email or not, so I'm not quoting).

I have no clue whether more people use GIMP on Windows than on Linux. But either way my questions remain:

Are most of these "post release of 2.10" bug reports specific to GIMP on Windows? or do they also affect GIMP on Linux?

Was there such an influx of Windows(-only?) bug reports for 2.8, compared to 2.10?

Best regards,

My initial reaction to the GIMP 2.10 bugs on Windows vs Linux is: have many Linux distros started offering GIMP 2.10 as an upgrade/update? I run Mint 18.3, on my laptop, and GIMP 2.10 isn't available as an update, yet. I don't have the time to try updating GIMP manually, so I wait for the distribution to update the software for me. Now that I think about it, my mom's Ubuntu 16.04 system hasn't received a GIMP 2.10 update either.

Maybe as the distros start making GIMP 2.10 available, more Linux users will use it. I'm just thinking out loud. :)

Peace...

Tom

/When I leave, I don't know what I'm hoping to find,
And when I leave, I don't know what I'm leaving behind.../

That would explain a lot. Though people do manage to compile GIMP on Windows, it's apparently not easy to do.

Partha's 2.9/2.10 builds for Windows have been available for a long time (https://www.partha.com/), without giving rise to nearly so many bug reports as the official release of 2.10. But maybe most Windows users don't know about Partha's builds.

The problem with Partha's builds is that he changes things to suit himself and therefore it's not a reliable reference for creating bug-reports against.

A case in point is https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=795855 which apparently Partha's build isn't suffering from: https://www.gimp-forum.net/Thread-opening-from-and-saving-to-local-folders?pid=8074#pid8074

* Elle Stone [05-11-18 11:29]:

On 05/11/2018 10:36 AM, Tom Williams wrote:

On 05/11/2018 07:24 AM, Elle Stone wrote:

I have no clue whether more people use GIMP on Windows than on Linux. But either way my questions remain:

Are most of these "post release of 2.10" bug reports specific to GIMP on Windows? or do they also affect GIMP on Linux?

Was there such an influx of Windows(-only?) bug reports for 2.8, compared to 2.10?

My initial reaction to the GIMP 2.10 bugs on Windows vs Linux is: have many Linux distros started offering GIMP 2.10 as an upgrade/update? I run Mint 18.3, on my laptop, and GIMP 2.10 isn't available as an update, yet. I don't have the time to try updating GIMP manually, so I wait for the distribution to update the software for me. Now that I think about it, my mom's Ubuntu 16.04 system hasn't received a GIMP 2.10 update either.

Maybe as the distros start making GIMP 2.10 available, more Linux users will use it. I'm just thinking out loud. :)

OK, that makes sense. Maybe a flood of bug reports from Linux users will come in when/as GIMP-2.10 is included in more Linux distributions.

it is available on openSUSE Tumbleweed and I have it installed. for the small uses I have made, it loads quicker than 2.8 and appears more responsive. no crashes. some difficulty finding some actions, but nothing major.

appears a good job was done.

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Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-developer] Curious about GIMP-2.10 bugs on Windows

* Elle Stone  [05-11-18 11:29]:
> On 05/11/2018 10:36 AM, Tom Williams wrote:
> >On 05/11/2018 07:24 AM, Elle Stone wrote:
>
> >>I have no clue whether more people use GIMP on Windows than on Linux.
> >>But either way my questions remain:
> >>
> >>Are most of these "post release of 2.10" bug reports specific to GIMP
> >>on Windows? or do they also affect GIMP on Linux?
> >>
> >>Was there such an influx of Windows(-only?) bug reports for 2.8,
> >>compared to 2.10?
>
> >My initial reaction to the GIMP 2.10 bugs on Windows vs Linux is:  have
> >many Linux distros started offering GIMP 2.10 as an upgrade/update?   I
> >run Mint 18.3, on my laptop, and GIMP 2.10 isn't available as an update,
> >yet.  I don't have the time to try updating GIMP manually, so I wait for
> >the distribution to update the software for me.  Now that I think about
> >it, my mom's Ubuntu 16.04 system hasn't received a GIMP 2.10 update either.
> >
> >Maybe as the distros start making GIMP 2.10 available, more Linux users
> >will use it.  I'm just thinking out loud.  :)
>
> OK, that makes sense. Maybe a flood of bug reports from Linux users will
> come in when/as GIMP-2.10 is included in more Linux distributions.

it is available on openSUSE Tumbleweed and I have it installed.  for the
small uses I have made, it loads quicker than 2.8 and appears more
responsive.  no crashes.  some difficulty finding some actions, but
nothing major.

appears a good job was done.

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On Fri, 2018-05-11 at 14:32 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

it is available on openSUSE Tumbleweed and I have it installed. for the
small uses I have made, it loads quicker than 2.8 and appears more responsive. no crashes. some difficulty finding some actions, but nothing major.

Cool. The / command helps to find things.

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On 05/11/18 16:35, Kevin Payne wrote:

On 05/11/2018 09:06 AM, Elle Stone wrote:

Are some/many/most of the problems being reported for GIMP-2.10 on Windows, only specific to Windows?

Or are these bug reports by Windows users simply bugs that weren't detected by various people running GIMP-2.9/GIMP-2.10-rc/GIMP-2.10 on Linux?

I'd suggest that one of the reasons is the relative lack of availability of executables during the 2.9 development phase - self compilation not really being an option on Windows.

Another reason is that it is not in Windows users' mentality (and perhaps in non-programmers' mentality) to report bugs... Consider things broken and abandon silently, often, whine in forums, sometimes, but report bugs, never. And it's not only with Gimp... Maybe we should find a middle ground between the useless "It's broken, fix it" and the intimidating formality of the bug report on Bugzilla.

On 05/13/2018 06:54 PM, Ofnuts wrote:

Another reason is that it is not in Windows users' mentality (and perhaps in non-programmers' mentality) to report bugs... Consider things broken and abandon silently, often, whine in forums, sometimes, but report bugs, never. And it's not only with Gimp... Maybe we should find a middle ground between the useless "It's broken, fix it" and the intimidating formality of the bug report on Bugzilla.

You mean "people", not "Windows users". Being able to describe anything in a way that is easy to understand is an acquired skill.

The middle ground is already there - there are regulars on every list and forum with experience in the tools involved, and they can make it their task to convert "it is broken!"-type message into useful bug reports, or refer to existing ones.

A recent example would be

https://old.reddit.com/r/GIMP/comments/8ixiij/annoying_bugs_in_2100_with_selection_tools/

which resulted in the following two new bug reports:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796071 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796073

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Michael
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On 05/13/18 19:12, Michael Schumacher wrote:

On 05/13/2018 06:54 PM, Ofnuts wrote:

Another reason is that it is not in Windows users' mentality (and perhaps in non-programmers' mentality) to report bugs... Consider things broken and abandon silently, often, whine in forums, sometimes, but report bugs, never. And it's not only with Gimp... Maybe we should find a middle ground between the useless "It's broken, fix it" and the intimidating formality of the bug report on Bugzilla.

You mean "people", not "Windows users". Being able to describe anything in a way that is easy to understand is an acquired skill.

The middle ground is already there - there are regulars on every list and forum with experience in the tools involved, and they can make it their task to convert "it is broken!"-type message into useful bug reports, or refer to existing ones.

A recent example would be

https://old.reddit.com/r/GIMP/comments/8ixiij/annoying_bugs_in_2100_with_selection_tools/

which resulted in the following two new bug reports:

https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796071 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796073

Also that one:
https://www.gimp-forum.net/Thread-Text-Along-Path-Problem--1988

that became: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796021

Still, a rather small team of regulars.