On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Michal Vašut wrote:

I've got an impression, that devs (or Gimp core devs / management - but not only Gimp ones) has priorities to introduce cool new features, which is not wrong, but they forget the basics - improve user working quality / make it easier for user.

I'll be blunt. People who don't study what we do and who come to teach us how to do things never achieve a thing. People who get involved, however, do achieve some great things and make GIMP and its ecosystem better.

Are you from the former or from the latter group?

* Blender foundation make decision to create movie * They crowdfund it and invite (hire?) artists and developers * As artists works they have spcific needs and devs solve them

We kinda sorta know about BF and what they do.

* Finally:
..... The movie is proof what the software is capable of ..... The devs and artists gain experience ..... The community is happy - they have improved software - new features, improved UX, ...

It would be nice, if Gimp community make similar thing. It doesn't need to be project, but a collection of userstories / scenarios.

https://www.patreon.com/zemarmot

http://gui.gimp.org/index.php?title=GIMP_UI_Redesign

There are also tons of extensions and plugins, but the web ( http://registry.gimp.org/) is half-working

Not working at all. It's a static website with no maintainer

and many of those extensions are
not working. I've seen great concept for Extension manager: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wmx3OgdATU0/Sziww2F0t5I/AAAAAAAABPE/nxquiNEM6l4/s1600-h/addonsInstaller.png

btw. are there somewhere sources of Gimp registry site, or ERD of it's database? It would be nice to create REST API - then anybody could create client for those extensions, or even it's own rpository.

Are you volunteering? :)

Alex

And one more thing!!! …

Mailing lists need a “Like” button. Alex would surely receive a gazillion for his previous post in this thread.

Than-you, Alex, for all of the great work that you and the other volunteers do so that the vast majority of users of the program can benefit without lifting a finger. The post which led to your response makes my unofficial membership in that latter group highly embarrassing. I apologise on behalf of the rest of us.

On 05 Feb 2017, at 14:09, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Michal Vašut wrote:

I've got an impression, that devs (or Gimp core devs / management - but not only Gimp ones) has priorities to introduce cool new features, which is not wrong, but they forget the basics - improve user working quality / make it easier for user.

I'll be blunt. People who don't study what we do and who come to teach us how to do things never achieve a thing. People who get involved, however, do achieve some great things and make GIMP and its ecosystem better.

Are you from the former or from the latter group?

* Blender foundation make decision to create movie * They crowdfund it and invite (hire?) artists and developers * As artists works they have spcific needs and devs solve them

We kinda sorta know about BF and what they do.

* Finally:
..... The movie is proof what the software is capable of ..... The devs and artists gain experience ..... The community is happy - they have improved software - new features, improved UX, ...

It would be nice, if Gimp community make similar thing. It doesn't need to be project, but a collection of userstories / scenarios.

https://www.patreon.com/zemarmot

http://gui.gimp.org/index.php?title=GIMP_UI_Redesign

There are also tons of extensions and plugins, but the web ( http://registry.gimp.org/) is half-working

Not working at all. It's a static website with no maintainer

and many of those extensions are
not working. I've seen great concept for Extension manager: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_wmx3OgdATU0/Sziww2F0t5I/AAAAAAAABPE/nxquiNEM6l4/s1600-h/addonsInstaller.png

btw. are there somewhere sources of Gimp registry site, or ERD of it's database? It would be nice to create REST API - then anybody could create client for those extensions, or even it's own rpository.

Are you volunteering? :)

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On 02/05/2017 10:56 AM, Michal Vaut wrote:

I've got an impression, that devs (or Gimp core devs / management - but not only Gimp ones) has priorities to introduce cool new features, which is not wrong, but they forget the basics - improve user working quality / make it easier for user.

I've seen these topics appear every now and then I usually don't participate, because I don't have the time. However, I wanted to chime in and write I think GIMP is great software, right now. In fact, I think it's awesome software. It's not perfect and has its bugs/issues but I think the things it _can_ do really overshadow its deficiencies. Here's the thing: from what I've read, over the years, the GIMP developers aren't trying to create a PhotoShop clone or replacement. Yes, there are similarities to PhotoShop in its feature set and in the functions it performs, but GIMP is an image manipulation tool, in its own right. Clearly, people want it to be a "PhotoShop clone" so they won't have to pay for PhotoShop (regardless of it not being affordable or lack of interest in spending the money).

I've used GIMP for years now and haven't tapped into the majority of its functionality. The functions I have used and tend to use most often work well, or at least well enough for me. I think if people took the time to learn how to use GIMP, the experience wouldn't be as bad or troublesome as many complain about.

I haven't used PhotoShop very often and the few times I have used it, I felt as completely lost and confused as the first time I tried GIMP.

Peace...

Tom

/When we dance, you have a way with me,
Stay with me... Sway with me.../