Hi,

John Culleton writes:

I have downloaded the latest help file. Befor I untar it, where is it supposed to go? Or more particularly, where is it supposed to be when I untar it?

Just untar them and read the installation instructions in the file INSTALL.

Sven

I also cannot understand the reason behind not integrating the help files with Gimp.

jozsefmak

The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a
help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful. I suppose I
will have to go to a Knoppix disk and figure out where the help files go from
its internal structure. Oh well.
--
John Culleton

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Jozsef Mak wrote:

The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful. I suppose I will have to go to a Knoppix disk and figure out where the help files go from its internal structure. Oh well.

> I also cannot understand the reason behind not integrating the help > files with Gimp.

At which level would you like to integrate it - source tree, release tarball or binary distribution?

Michael

On Sat, 11 Dec 2004, John Culleton wrote:

On Saturday 11 December 2004 06:11, Sven Neumann wrote:

Hi,

John Culleton writes:

I have downloaded the latest help file. Befor I untar it, where is it supposed to go? Or more particularly, where is it supposed to be when I untar it?

Just untar them and read the installation instructions in the file INSTALL.

OK the instructions say run ./configure and ./configure fails because it can't find a file called gimp-2.0 pc. I searched my disks (several versions of Gimp laying around) and no such file exists. The ./configure run also says: "couldn't find a Gimp-2.0 installation". There are about three laying around.

So, back to my original question. Where should I try to untar the Gimp help tarball? I don't want to muck up a functioning Gimp installation by untarring them in the wrong location.

You should have several gimp-2.0.pc files if you have several installations. You will need to find them. Standard locations would be for example;

/usr/lib/pkgconfig/gimp-2.0.pc /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/gimp-2.0.pc /opt/lib/pkgconfig/gimp-2.0.pc

Determine which gimp you want the help files to be associated with, eg the one in say /usr/local

Then export your PKG_CONFIG_PATH

export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/

Now check it

pkg-config --modversion gimp-2.0

Then try installing your help

Owen

On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 04:29:59PM -0500, Jozsef Mak wrote:

I also cannot understand the reason behind not integrating the help files with Gimp.

oh, i can answer this. have you ever tried to build these things?

maybe they build easier right now, but i have had my workflow interrupted because i could not build the help documentation for gimp. i needed gimp, not help documents.

i have not tried to build them recently. i am waiting for something other than docbook format. i would rather tinker with gap than learn more of the evil of docbook; it really does some things that i would never ever do to people in documentation. so, since i do not really know what it is like to build the documents lately, can someone provide a dependency list of the things needed to build the help docs?

also, my bad feelings of the method have nothing to do with the text the format contains, nor the people who endure what i consider rude and inefficient means of writing documentation. even the people who designed it, this has nothing to do with any personal feelings there.

long ago, gimp depended on emacs to build its help documentation. this made and still makes me laugh some. consider having jade suggested to help you install gimp? i would rather gimp depend on emacs, in fact, maybe this is the solution ....

carol

At which level would you like to integrate it - source tree, release tarball or binary distribution?

Michael

This I cannot tell, but when I compiled Inkscape from source all the tutorials were in the help file ready to use. They could solve the problem somehow.

jozsefmak

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Hi,

"Jozsef Mak" writes:

I also cannot understand the reason behind not integrating the help files with Gimp.

We did so in the past and it was a nightmare to maintain. Development on gimp-help works a lot better since it is decoupled from GIMP releases. For the end user who's using some sort of package management system or an installer, there's no difference anyway. The help files get installed with the GIMP packages.

Sven

On Sat, Dec 11, 2004 at 02:54:07PM -0500, John Culleton wrote:

On Saturday 11 December 2004 06:11, Sven Neumann wrote:

John Culleton writes:

I have downloaded the latest help file. Befor I untar it, where is it supposed to go? Or more particularly, where is it supposed to be when I untar it?

Just untar them and read the installation instructions in the file INSTALL.

OK the instructions say run ./configure and ./configure fails because it can't find a file called gimp-2.0 pc. I searched my disks (several versions of Gimp laying around) and no such file exists. The ./configure run also says: "couldn't find a Gimp-2.0 installation". There are about three laying around.

the solution to this is to show ./configure where the file (gimp-2.0.pc) is. running the "gimpenv" script from wgo should fix that: http://www.gimp.org/source/howtos/gimpenv

it tells your shell what it needs to know by setting the proper environment variables.

So, back to my original question. Where should I try to untar the Gimp help tarball? I don't want to muck up a functioning Gimp installation by untarring them in the wrong location.

Perhaps I am using the wrong tarball. When you go to the site and look for help files all you can find is a directory called "test" or "testing" which holds about 5 different versions of help files. I picked out the most recent one, 2.05

you are imagining opening up a tarball of html, i think. what you have downloaded is the means to make html, pdf, sgtml, xml and whoknowwhatelseml. your question is not being asked correctly.

The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful. I suppose I will have to go to a Knoppix disk and figure out where the help files go from its internal structure. Oh well.

a tarball of html because that is all anyone will ever use? you jest!

carol

Hi,

John Culleton writes:

As it happens, Slackware and Knoppix (some versions) have Gimp but the help files are not included. Either the maintainers of these distros don't know about the separate help files or they can't figure out how to install them.

The user manual isn't considered ready for general consumption yet so it isn't surprising that the help isn't shipped with GIMP by default yet. I hope that the GIMP help team will release a first stable version of the manual soon.

(Neither can I.)

Oh come on. It's as simple as unpacking the tarball and typing 'configure; make; make install'. If you can't figure that out yourself, perhaps you should ask someone who isn't completely clueless.

Sven

Hi,

John Culleton writes:

OK the instructions say run ./configure and ./configure fails because it can't find a file called gimp-2.0 pc. I searched my disks (several versions of Gimp laying around) and no such file exists.

gimp-2.0.pc is installed into $prefix/lib/pkgconfig. It's a standard thing that a lot of software packages use these days. Please consider to read the pkg-config man-page to learn more about it. The man-page will also explain you how to use the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable to point pkg-config to .pc files that are not in the default search path.

Perhaps I am using the wrong tarball. When you go to the site and look for help files all you can find is a directory called "test" or "testing" which holds about 5 different versions of help files. I picked out the most recent one, 2.05

Yes, there's no final gimp-help-2 tarball yet. The help authors don't think their work is ready for general consumption yet.

The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful.

Sure. As soon as the manual is released by the people writing it, we will include instructions as how to install it. If you want to make this happen earlier, consider to join the gimp-help-2 team.

Sven

How do you install it on the windows version?

From: Sven Neumann
To: John Culleton
CC: gimp-user@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Where to put help? Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 02:17:44 +0100

Hi,

John Culleton writes:

As it happens, Slackware and Knoppix (some versions) have Gimp but the

help

files are not included. Either the maintainers of these distros don't

know

about the separate help files or they can't figure out how to install

them.

The user manual isn't considered ready for general consumption yet so it isn't surprising that the help isn't shipped with GIMP by default yet. I hope that the GIMP help team will release a first stable version of the manual soon.

(Neither can I.)

Oh come on. It's as simple as unpacking the tarball and typing 'configure; make; make install'. If you can't figure that out yourself, perhaps you should ask someone who isn't completely clueless.

Sven

How do you install it on the windows version?

You use the help installer package.

HTH, Michael

On Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:05 PM [GMT+1=CET], Jozsef Mak wrote:

How do you install it on the windows version?

Help, which will work with GIMP 2.0.5, is here: http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html

Unzip and put into: C:\Program Files\GIMP-2.0\, or wherever your GIMP is installed. Preserve the directory structure that is in the ZIP file.

Bob Long

Sven Neumann schreef:

Hi,

John Culleton writes:

OK the instructions say run ./configure and ./configure fails because it can't find a file called gimp-2.0 pc. I searched my disks (several versions of Gimp laying around) and no such file exists.

gimp-2.0.pc is installed into $prefix/lib/pkgconfig. It's a standard thing that a lot of software packages use these days. Please consider to read the pkg-config man-page to learn more about it. The man-page will also explain you how to use the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable to point pkg-config to .pc files that are not in the default

I'm afraid I have to confirm John's problem: there simply is no file called gimp-2.0.pc on my system.
So the question is IMHO not how to direct configure to the place the file is on disk (there is no such place) but where that file can be found on the internet. It's obviously not in our gimp-2.0 distribution (in my case, the Gimp-version comes with my Suse 9.2 distro. Could it be that the problem lies in the fact that Suse uses the RPM package manager?

search path.

Perhaps I am using the wrong tarball. When you go to the site and look for help files all you can find is a directory called "test" or "testing" which holds about 5 different versions of help files. I picked out the most recent one, 2.05

Yes, there's no final gimp-help-2 tarball yet. The help authors don't think their work is ready for general consumption yet.

The best solution of course would be to have the help files integrated with the Gimp package itself. That is the way most packages work. Failing that, a help tarball in parallel to the current stable version and with explicit instructions on installation (i.e. where) would be most helpful.

Sure. As soon as the manual is released by the people writing it, we will include instructions as how to install it. If you want to make this happen earlier, consider to join the gimp-help-2 team.

Sven

Jogchum Reitsma wrote:

Sven Neumann schreef:

gimp-2.0.pc is installed into $prefix/lib/pkgconfig. It's a standard thing that a lot of software packages use these days. Please consider to read the pkg-config man-page to learn more about it. The man-page will also explain you how to use the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable to point pkg-config to .pc files that are not in the default

I'm afraid I have to confirm John's problem: there simply is no file called gimp-2.0.pc on my system.
So the question is IMHO not how to direct configure to the place the file is on disk (there is no such place) but where that file can be found on the internet. It's obviously not in our gimp-2.0 distribution (in my case, the Gimp-version comes with my Suse 9.2 distro. Could it be that the problem lies in the fact that Suse uses the RPM package manager?

Maybe there is a seperate gimp-dev (or libgimp-dev) package?

BTW, could you please fix your quoting? Thank you.

HTH, Michael

Hi,

Jogchum Reitsma writes:

I'm afraid I have to confirm John's problem: there simply is no file called gimp-2.0.pc on my system.

You are missing the gimp-devel package then. If you want to install the user manual from source, you need to have the GIMP development package installed. Otherwise you should be using the gimp-help package that your distribution provides. If it doesn't provide one, you should ask them to do add one.

There's a workaround that allows you to install gimp-help-2 w/o having GIMP installed or w/o having the GIMP development package installed. It's mentioned in the installation instructions that come with gimp-help-2 (look at the file INSTALL).

Sven

Michael Schumacher schreef:

Jogchum Reitsma wrote:

I'm afraid I have to confirm John's problem: there simply is no file called gimp-2.0.pc on my system.
So the question is IMHO not how to direct configure to the place the file is on disk (there is no such place) but where that file can be found on the internet. It's obviously not in our gimp-2.0 distribution (in my case, the Gimp-version comes with my Suse 9.2 distro. Could it be that the problem lies in the fact that Suse uses the RPM package manager?

Maybe there is a seperate gimp-dev (or libgimp-dev) package?

BTW, could you please fix your quoting? Thank you.

HTH, Michael

That's it! Thanks!

Btw: this quoting better?

kind greetings, Jogchum