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Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush

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Rick Strong
2016-05-05 18:15:39 UTC (over 8 years ago)

Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush

I’m trying to add to a Quick Mask using white as both foreground and background colours. White is supposed to add to the mask. But it keeps removing the mask. In other words, using a white brush deletes that part of the mask and reveals the image underneath when it should be covering it up. v. 2.8.16

Any ideas? TIA,
Rick

Gez
2016-05-14 04:42:36 UTC (over 8 years ago)

Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush

El jue, 05-05-2016 a las 14:15 -0400, Rick Strong escribió:

I’m trying to add to a Quick Mask using white as both foreground and background colours. White is supposed to add to the mask. But it keeps removing the mask. In other words, using a white brush deletes that part of the mask and reveals the image underneath when it should be covering it up. v. 2.8.16

Any ideas?

It looks like you got it wrong.

Think about black and white as 0 and 1 respectively. In a selection, 0 means "it's not selected" and 1 means "it's selected".

This is also consistent with layer masks, where black makes pixels transparent while white makes them opaque. Since you can produce layer masks from selections, it makes sense that those values are consistent.

And why are black and white used that way in layer masks? Because masks work like alpha channels.

So, when you paint white, you're painting the pixels you want to be selected, the ones to be visible. It makes sense that those are not "masked out" by your quick mask.

Gez.

Rick Strong
2016-05-15 14:34:45 UTC (over 8 years ago)

Layer masks and Selection masks (was: Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush)

Thanks for the response Gez.

I read the manual wrong. I was trying to use white to add to my Quick mask when I should have been using black. There are TWO types of masks: a LAYER mask and a CHANNEL mask (aka SELECTION mask). The QUICK mask is a SELECTION mask used to refine a selection. When you toggle the Quick mask Off, the transparent areas become a “selection”.

“A Quick Mask is a Selection Mask intended to be used to temporarily paint a selection. Temporarily means that, unlike a normal selection mask, it will be deleted from the channel list after its transformation to selection.” GIMP Manual

LAYER Masks operate this way: White ADDS to mask
Black REMOVES the mask
Grey makes mask SEMI-TRANSPARENT

CHANNEL masks (and Quick/Selection masks) operate the opposite way: White REMOVES the mask
Black ADDS to mask
Grey makes mask SEMI-TRANSPARENT

Regards, Rick

-----Original Message----- From: Gez
Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 12:42 AM To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush

El jue, 05-05-2016 a las 14:15 -0400, Rick Strong escribió:

I’m trying to add to a Quick Mask using white as both foreground and background colours. White is supposed to add to the mask. But it keeps removing the mask. In other words, using a white brush deletes that part of the mask and reveals the image underneath when it should be covering it up. v. 2.8.16

Any ideas?

It looks like you got it wrong.

Think about black and white as 0 and 1 respectively. In a selection, 0 means "it's not selected" and 1 means "it's selected".

This is also consistent with layer masks, where black makes pixels transparent while white makes them opaque. Since you can produce layer masks from selections, it makes sense that those values are consistent.

And why are black and white used that way in layer masks? Because masks work like alpha channels.

So, when you paint white, you're painting the pixels you want to be selected, the ones to be visible. It makes sense that those are not "masked out" by your quick mask.

Gez.

Richard
2016-05-15 16:13:34 UTC (over 8 years ago)

Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush

From: rnstrong@magma.ca
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 14:15:39 -0400 Subject: [Gimp-user] Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush

Im trying to add to a Quick Mask using white as both foreground and background colours. White is supposed to add to the mask. But it keeps removing the mask. In other words, using a white brush deletes that part of the mask and reveals the image underneath when it should be covering it up. v. 2.8.16

Any ideas?
TIA,
Rick

When using QuickMask, right-click on it and you can configure whether it should highlight the masked (selected) or unmasked areas; set it to whichever method works best for you.

Nonetheless, the underlying operation of QuickMask is the same: white = selected and black = not.

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Rick Strong
2016-05-16 02:54:45 UTC (over 8 years ago)

Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush

When using QuickMask, right-click on it and you can configure whether it should highlight the masked (selected) or unmasked areas; ...

Nice tip. Thanks.

Rick

Gez
2016-05-25 16:55:27 UTC (over 8 years ago)

Layer masks and Selection masks (was: Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush)

El dom, 15-05-2016 a las 10:34 -0400, Rick Strong escribió:

Thanks for the response Gez.
 
I read the manual wrong.

No, you didn't read it wrong. The wording is ambiguous. What does "Adding to the mask" mean? It may be "adding more pixels to be masked out" or the opposite.
Maybe that section of the manual needs a bit of thought about unifying the meaning of "mask" through the different sections it is used.

Gez.

Rick Strong
2016-05-25 17:39:28 UTC (over 8 years ago)

Layer masks and Selection masks (was: Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush)

And for "Masks", you do one thing and for "Quick Masks" you do the opposite. Cheers,
Rick

-----Original Message----- From: Gez
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 12:55 PM To: Rick Strong ; GIMP User List
Subject: Re: Layer masks and Selection masks (was: Adding to Quick Mask using a white brush)

El dom, 15-05-2016 a las 10:34 -0400, Rick Strong escribió:

Thanks for the response Gez.

I read the manual wrong.

No, you didn't read it wrong. The wording is ambiguous. What does "Adding to the mask" mean? It may be "adding more pixels to be masked out" or the opposite.
Maybe that section of the manual needs a bit of thought about unifying the meaning of "mask" through the different sections it is used.

Gez.