On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:

Hello

One of the greatest things of the new gimp 2.9.3 is the handling of nef files (raw camera images), they even appear in the file format list, great! But in my windows 8 x64 bits with Partha's build it just doesn't open, when trying to do that GIMP says image can't be opened, but i can open the image even on windows photo software (the one that is fullscreen) and it is ok. I dont know if this is a bug of GIMP or something specific to windows so i'll wait until someone else can duplicate this issue.

Or something specific to the unofficial build that you use on Windows.

Alex

On 12/21/2015 09:18 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:

Hello

One of the greatest things of the new gimp 2.9.3 is the handling of nef files (raw camera images), they even appear in the file format list, great! But in my windows 8 x64 bits with Partha's build it just doesn't open, when trying to do that GIMP says image can't be opened, but i can open the image even on windows photo software (the one that is fullscreen) and it is ok. I dont know if this is a bug of GIMP or something specific to windows so i'll wait until someone else can duplicate this issue.

Or something specific to the unofficial build that you use on Windows.

Alex

Using default GIMP 2.9.3 updated a couple of days ago on Linux, and opening a CR2 file, the resulting image is the correct size, and only 8-bits, so I'm assuming the raw file is being opened by UFRaw, yes?

Opening a NEF file using GIMP, the resulting image is just a 160px by 120px thumbnail, though the file on disk is 17MB. So NEF doesn't seem to be working through the UFRaw plug-in.

I'm using UFRaw version 0.22, compiled with the GIMP plug-in, FWIW, and in case the UFRaw version makes a difference.

Some GEGL code suggests that there might be raw file support independent of UFRaw (rawload.c). Is this available through GIMP?

Elle

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Elle Stone wrote:

Using default GIMP 2.9.3 updated a couple of days ago on Linux, and opening a CR2 file, the resulting image is the correct size, and only 8-bits

https://sourceforge.net/p/ufraw/feature-requests/274/

Unsure if this made it to 0.20+ though. And anyway, there have been no installers of UFRaw for Windows for a long time (0.19.2 was the last one, and it was before the aforementiond patch).

Alex

On 12/21/2015 11:12 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Elle Stone wrote:

Using default GIMP 2.9.3 updated a couple of days ago on Linux, and opening
a CR2 file, the resulting image is the correct size, and only 8-bits

Yes Elle, thats a bit different error, but still an error. Is there some official suport for NEF files inside GIMP, maybe through GEGL?

The error to which I was actually referring was the fact that when opening a NEF file, all I get using default GIMP 2.9.3 on Linux is the thumbnail, not the full image.

If you can't open a NEF file using GIMP (on Windows),

and all I get when opening a NEF file using GIMP (on Linux) is a tiny little thumbnail,

then it seems to me that these might be related errors. But of course they might be two entirely separate errors.

Elle

Hi Alex.

When you select RAW images (with a long list of image formats such as cr2, nef etc.) from the dropdown list and then click on your NEF, does it open UFRaw or not? Let me know otherwise and we'll work to get it fixed for you. You can email me directly or respond there.

Don't rely on the automatic detection since it's a back and forth between GIMP and UFRaw. NEF is based on the TIFF format and hence the confusion.

Thanks,
Partha

PS: Another recommendation I would make is to use RawTherapee to preprocess and then send to GIMP.

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:11 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:

Hello

One of the greatest things of the new gimp 2.9.3 is the handling of nef files (raw camera images), they even appear in the file format list, great! But in my windows 8 x64 bits with Partha's build it just doesn't open, when trying to do that GIMP says image can't be opened, but i can open the image even on windows photo software (the one that is fullscreen) and it is ok. I dont know if this is a bug of GIMP or something specific to windows so i'll wait until someone else can duplicate this issue.

Regards
Alex
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Alex Vergara Gil wrote:

2015-12-21 9:54 GMT-05:00, Alexandre Prokoudine :

On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Elle Stone wrote:

Using default GIMP 2.9.3 updated a couple of days ago on Linux, and opening
a CR2 file, the resulting image is the correct size, and only 8-bits

https://sourceforge.net/p/ufraw/feature-requests/274/

Unsure if this made it to 0.20+ though. And anyway, there have been no installers of UFRaw for Windows for a long time (0.19.2 was the last one, and it was before the aforementiond patch).

Alex

Yes Elle, thats a bit different error, but still an error. Is there some official suport for NEF files inside GIMP, maybe through GEGL?

Alex

Yes, there is only for NEF. If you are using my build then select NEF image, it should open a 32-bit floating rendition.

Bottom line as I said below, don't use the automatic detection feature.

Dear Partha

2015-12-21 12:19 GMT-05:00, Partha Bagchi : When trying this procedure indeed, the ufraw soft is launched but it says

TIFF image error
Unknown field with tag 36867 (0x9003) encountered

So I think it tries to open it as a TIFF image. Eventhough it still opens the image as thumbnail, very odd.

Regards Alex

Am struggling to use gimp for the past month. Thinking of going back to Photoshop.

Do we expect to have the NEF issue solved once and for all in the near future, since this is ongoing for some time?

* JamesB [01-23-16 19:02]:

Dear Partha

2015-12-21 12:19 GMT-05:00, Partha Bagchi : When trying this procedure indeed, the ufraw soft is launched but it says

TIFF image error
Unknown field with tag 36867 (0x9003) encountered

So I think it tries to open it as a TIFF image. Eventhough it still opens the image as thumbnail, very odd.

Regards Alex

Am struggling to use gimp for the past month. Thinking of going back to Photoshop.

Do we expect to have the NEF issue solved once and for all in the near future, since this is ongoing for some time?

There is *not* a "NEF issue" as .nef is a nikon proprietary file which need dcraw or ufraw front end to open and pass to gimp. gimp by itself cannot open a nef file. I don't work on windows, but linux. Partha may have added something to his gimp packages to facilitate opening non-open format files, but to my knowledge, gimp must call an external program to pass nef files to it. gimp is *not* photoshop.

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On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

There is *not* a "NEF issue" as .nef is a nikon proprietary file which need dcraw or ufraw front end to open and pass to gimp. gimp by itself cannot open a nef file. I don't work on windows, but linux. Partha may have added something to his gimp packages to facilitate opening non-open format files, but to my knowledge, gimp must call an external program to pass nef files to it. gimp is *not* photoshop.

This not entirely correct. Or, to be more precise, this is entirely incorrect.

Unstable version of GIMP has a plugin that reads/export from/to a number of file formats supported in GEGL. One of them is NEF, which is supposed to be loaded via libraw (not dcraw), but doesn't appear to be loaded properly for some reason.

The stable version of GIMP doesn't have this plugin and, therefore, doesn't have this issue. Therefore, the solution is to stick to the stable version until this is resolved one way or another.

Windows vs. Linux are irrelevant.

Photoshop is irrelevant (ACR is a plugin, just like UFRaw).

Alex

This not entirely correct. Or, to be more precise, this is entirely incorrect.

Unstable version of GIMP has a plugin that reads/export from/to a number of file formats supported in GEGL. One of them is NEF, which is supposed to be loaded via libraw (not dcraw), but doesn't appear to be loaded properly for some reason.

The stable version of GIMP doesn't have this plugin and, therefore, doesn't have this issue. Therefore, the solution is to stick to the stable version until this is resolved one way or another.

Windows vs. Linux are irrelevant.

Photoshop is irrelevant (ACR is a plugin, just like UFRaw).

Alex

soooooo, back to the original question: are we foreseeing an answer to "non-existent" issue?

soooooo, back to the original question: are we foreseeing an answer to "non-existent" issue?

Sorry Alex, my reply was actually to the preceding answer by Patrick Shanahan.

I thank you (Alex) for a constructive input.

* JamesB [01-23-16 19:02]:
There is *not* a "NEF issue" as .nef is a nikon proprietary file which need dcraw or ufraw front end to open and pass to gimp. gimp by itself
cannot open a nef file. I don't work on windows, but linux. Partha may
have added something to his gimp packages to facilitate opening non-open
format files, but to my knowledge, gimp must call an external program to
pass nef files to it. gimp is *not* photoshop.

soooooo, back to the original question: are we foreseeing an answer to "non-existent" issue? Are there any hope for newcomers to GIMP?

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 2:11 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 3:26 AM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

There is *not* a "NEF issue" as .nef is a nikon proprietary file which need dcraw or ufraw front end to open and pass to gimp. gimp by itself cannot open a nef file. I don't work on windows, but linux. Partha may have added something to his gimp packages to facilitate opening non-open format files, but to my knowledge, gimp must call an external program to pass nef files to it. gimp is *not* photoshop.

This not entirely correct. Or, to be more precise, this is entirely incorrect.

Unstable version of GIMP has a plugin that reads/export from/to a number of file formats supported in GEGL. One of them is NEF, which is supposed to be loaded via libraw (not dcraw), but doesn't appear to be loaded properly for some reason.

I don't think so: Here is Line 62 from the relevant gegl file loader:

command = g_strdup_printf ("dcraw -4 -c '%s'\n", op_raw_load->path);

The stable version of GIMP doesn't have this plugin and, therefore, doesn't have this issue. Therefore, the solution is to stick to the stable version until this is resolved one way or another.

Windows vs. Linux are irrelevant.

Photoshop is irrelevant (ACR is a plugin, just like UFRaw).

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On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 2:11 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
I don't think so: Here is Line 62 from the relevant gegl file loader:

command = g_strdup_printf ("dcraw -4 -c '%s'\n", op_raw_load->path);

are we foreseeing an answer to the issue? Are there any hope for newcomers to GIMP?

24 янв. 2016 г. 21:51 пользователь "JamesB" написал:

are we foreseeing an answer to the issue? Are there any hope for

newcomers to

GIMP?

You already know the solution, James: use the stable version.

Alex

24 янв. 2016 г. 21:51 пользователь "JamesB" написал:
newcomers to
You already know the solution, James: use the stable version.

Alex

am using 2.8.16! any other comments?

On 01/24/2016 08:01 PM, JamesB wrote:

24 янв. 2016 г. 21:51 пользователь "JamesB" написал:
newcomers to
You already know the solution, James: use the stable version.

am using 2.8.16! any other comments?

Then why were you posting in the thread about NEF support (or RAW, in general) for 2.9.x?

You've got UFRaw installed?

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* JamesB [01-24-16 14:32]:

24 янв. 2016 г. 21:51 пользователь "JamesB" написал:
newcomers to
You already know the solution, James: use the stable version.

Alex

am using 2.8.16! any other comments?

Go get a cold brew or a hot coffee, lower the attitude intensity, and come back in a better mood.

You have been given explanation. Or you could branch the code and add nef support yourself.

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Hi James,

You may not be aware that Nikon provides two FREE programs for working with NEF files.

- ViewNX-i for transferring from your card reader or camera (click "Transfer" icon), among other things. - Capture NX-D for working on exposure compensation, Active-D lighting, etc.

Both programs can export to JPEG, TIFF 8bit and TIFF 16 bit files. This is not the answer you were hoping for, but it is a work-around for now.

I believe (new GIMP user here) that GIMP only opens TFF 8bit files, or converts 16s to 8s, so saving in 8bit TIFF saves any loss in conversion.

I use the two Nikon programs all the time because I found Lightroom to be lousy.

Cheers,
Rick

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are we foreseeing an answer to the issue? Are there any hope for newcomers to
GIMP?

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On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:01 PM, JamesB wrote:

You already know the solution, James: use the stable version.

am using 2.8.16!

That's quite unlikely. As mentioned earlier, GIMP 2.8.x simply doesn't have the plugin for loading NEF.

Alex

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote:

Unstable version of GIMP has a plugin that reads/export from/to a number of file formats supported in GEGL. One of them is NEF, which is supposed to be loaded via libraw (not dcraw), but doesn't appear to be loaded properly for some reason.

I don't think so: Here is Line 62 from the relevant gegl file loader:

command = g_strdup_printf ("dcraw -4 -c '%s'\n", op_raw_load->path);

You are looking at operations/common/dcraw-load.c.

But I'm talking about operations/external/raw-load.c.

Also, installing dcraw doesn't not fix the issue here.

Alex

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:00 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Partha Bagchi wrote:

Unstable version of GIMP has a plugin that reads/export from/to a number of file formats supported in GEGL. One of them is NEF, which is supposed to be loaded via libraw (not dcraw), but doesn't appear to be loaded properly for some reason.

I don't think so: Here is Line 62 from the relevant gegl file loader:

command = g_strdup_printf ("dcraw -4 -c '%s'\n", op_raw_load->path);

You are looking at operations/common/dcraw-load.c.

But I'm talking about operations/external/raw-load.c.

Also, installing dcraw doesn't not fix the issue here.

I am talking about dcraw-load.c. I have it working by modifying

command = g_strdup_printf ("dcraw -4 -c '%s'\n", op_raw_load->path); to
command = g_strdup_printf ("dcraw -4 -c \"%s\"\n", op_raw_load->path);

I do get buffer overrun and so some of the images are not rendered correctly as I have reported in gegl-developer list.

I don't have libraw installed but have dcraw 9.26.

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On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Partha Bagchi wrote:

Also, installing dcraw doesn't not fix the issue here.

I am talking about dcraw-load.c. I have it working by modifying

command = g_strdup_printf ("dcraw -4 -c '%s'\n", op_raw_load->path); to
command = g_strdup_printf ("dcraw -4 -c \"%s\"\n", op_raw_load->path);

That doesn't fix anything here.

Alex

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 7:52 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 1:43 AM, Partha Bagchi wrote:

Also, installing dcraw doesn't not fix the issue here.

I am talking about dcraw-load.c. I have it working by modifying

command = g_strdup_printf ("dcraw -4 -c '%s'\n",

op_raw_load->path);

to
command = g_strdup_printf ("dcraw -4 -c \"%s\"\n",

op_raw_load->path);

That doesn't fix anything here.

Are you using Windows or some other OS?

Alex
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31 янв. 2016 г. 16:34 пользователь "Partha Bagchi" написал:

That doesn't fix anything here.

Are you using Windows or some other OS?

Linux

Alex

On Sun, Jan 31, 2016 at 10:19 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:

31 янв. 2016 г. 16:34 пользователь "Partha Bagchi" написал:

That doesn't fix anything here.

Are you using Windows or some other OS?

Linux

OK. In Windows I had to disable the #ifdef _WIN32 in the beginning and define PIPE_MODE as "rb".

I got it to work in McGimp as well though.

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On 16-01-24 04:54 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:01 PM, JamesB wrote:

You already know the solution, James: use the stable version.

am using 2.8.16!

That's quite unlikely. As mentioned earlier, GIMP 2.8.x simply doesn't have the plugin for loading NEF.

For loading NEF files you need the gimp-dcraw or gimp-ufraw packages installed. On my machine I'm using the dcraw based package.

Cheers!

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