On 06/02/2015 09:12 PM, Sarah Hunter wrote:

Hi Sarah,

This email is to request appropriate accessibility documentation for purchases from your company.

no company here, but we have tried to complete that documentation.

Federal and state laws require Texas state agencies to purchase only accessible electronic and information resources from our vendors. We (the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality) are currently reviewing all of our software purchases and have been unable to locate the required accessibility documentation for GIMP. Per Texas Administrative Code, appropriate accessibility documentation may be in the form of a Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT) or an accessible electronic document that addresses the same accessibility criteria in substantially the same format as a VPAT or equivalent reporting template. I have attached an industry-standard VPAT for your convenience. You may also find the Even Grounds website to be helpful. Please provide the requested information by June 15th, 2015. If I can be of assistance, or if you need additional information, please let me know. Thank you,

We've put the completed docs on your website for everyone to download:

http://www.gimp.org/about/ITI-VPAT.pdf http://www.gimp.org/about/ITI-VPAT.odt http://www.gimp.org/about/ITI-VPAT.doc

Regards,
Michael
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Dear Ms. Hunter,

GIMP is open source software, available for download by anybody at no charge, subject to a specific licensing agreement. That licensing agreement does not make any warranty of accessibility. If the state of Texas purchased this software, it was obtained from a third party, not directly from the GIMP project. Any responsibility for documenting accessibility would lie with that third party.

See http://www.gimp.org for more information about the project.

Best regards, Bill Skaggs

(This email is purely informative. I do not have the right to speak for the GIMP project.)

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Sarah Hunter wrote:

This email is to request appropriate accessibility documentation for purchases from your company.

Federal and state laws require Texas state agencies to purchase only accessible electronic and information resources from our vendors. We (the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality) are currently reviewing all of our software purchases and have been unable to locate the required accessibility documentation for *GIMP.*

Per Texas Administrative Code, appropriate accessibility documentation may be in the form of a Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT) or an accessible electronic document that addresses the same accessibility criteria in substantially the same format as a VPAT or equivalent reporting template.

I have attached an industry-standard VPAT for your convenience. You may also find the Even Grounds website
to be
helpful.

Please provide the requested information by *June 15th, 2015*. If I can be of assistance, or if you need additional information, please let me know.

Thank you,

*Sarah Hunter*

*Accessibility Intern | Information Resources Department *

*Sarah.Hunter@tceq.texas.gov*

*512-239-4773 *

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On Tue, Jun 02, 2015 at 07:12:38PM +0000, Sarah Hunter wrote:

This email is to request appropriate accessibility documentation for purchases from your company.

[...]

1) this is _not_ a company, GIMP is not on sale, so this email is misplaced at least.

2) we already answered to this email on another mailing list of the same project, please do not continue to ask the same questions over and over.

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This has piqued my curiosity. I live in Austin and have worked at TCEQ; they are a strange breed; strange even for Texas bureacrats. I'm wondering if this one could really have come from TCEQ, and if so what Ms. Hunter could be thinking. I think I'll just call her up tomorrow and ask her.

My brother in law has worked for IBM helping government agencies develop Linux solutions, and if there is any issue with government agencies thinking they're banned from using free software, maybe he can shed light...

Now, Austin IS the original land of bureacracy... New York State doesn't even hold a candle to it... and you know that University of Texas at Austin debate over the confederate statues on campus, which campus officials have handled for decades through protracted bureacratic procedure? Well, guess what... EVERYTHING is handled like that here. Sometimes it's deliberate, sometimes not.

So Ms. Hunter understands, open source software is not for purchase, and one doesn't have to acquire a license to use it. Like, would "get used to it" be appropriate?

I wonder if she has this list confused with the developers of GIMP.

Some Linux distributions have some optional or else easily overlooked procedure where you agree to keep the software open source. GIMP's developers would know if they have such a procedure.

I'd be astounded if Texas actually has a law against state agencies using open source or free software... I really don't think so, LOL!!!! But people are so strange here, it's no surprise some government officials may think such a law exists!

The GIMP web site should tell how to contact those developers. http://www.gimp.org/ But from looking on this site, it comes across that like most things Linux/ open source, GIMP is strictly a community effort. You'd have better luck getting an official response from the owners of Wikipedia... they don't exist. There is no contact information for GIMP's developers, because GIMP's developers are all of us.

GIMP's documentation, including it's "GNU Free Documentation License" are here: http://docs.gimp.org/2.8/en/

This is an open mailing list where GIMP users share information on how to use the software... this list certainly won't be providing TCEQ with its accessibility information! Certainly not by *June 15, 2015*. Which leads me to wonder exactly what I will find out when I call Ms. Hunter tomorrow, because June 15 was like, eight days ago. Is this a spoof? Maybe by someone who has as little use for TCEQ as I do?

I'm pretty sure GIMP's developers made not attempt to sell GIMP to TCEQ nor even got in touch with them unless TCEQ had reached out to them... and installing the software is a matter of downloading it!

Now, if TCEQ means to sue all open source developers to require them to sell and license their software.... a whole lot of people will be seeing them in court... right after I suspect a whole lot of people take thick old white paint (with black for the eyes) to those confederate statues on the UT Austin campus.

I worked for a large company that runs a big call center in Austin that contracts with the Texas Health and Human Services Commission to handle certain welfare services. We used CCleaner to remove cookies and empty browser caches and free up our software. CCleaner is free... unless one chooses to use the pro version, but we weren't using that.. . It was just installed on our computers. Anyone can install and use ccleaner. You don't need a license and you don't have to pay for it. I don't need a license, and the State of Texas doesn't need a license.

I am wondering what Ms. Hunter specifically means by accessibility documentation.... usually accessibility has to do with aids the software might have that would be helpful to people with disabilities. I don't even see how it would apply to GIMP. GIMP is graphics software. As far as I know you need to be able to see well enough to use it and nothing internal to GIMP would help you if you can't... How GIMP might be used with specific adaptive equipment, for example, for people who have trouble using their hands, would be a specific set of questions for the developers. Accessibility is often a very user-specific issue that it's hard to plan in advance for in any case.

Now, Ubuntu, an open source Linux operating system, comes with "accessibility features" I've not even seen in English, or not as usable; the computer will actually read anything at all to you out loud, and that sort of thing! And that's just included with Ubuntu.

I'm going to get back to you all with what I find out when I talk with Ms. Hunter.

Dora

-----Original Message----- From: Bill Skaggs
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:11 AM To: Sarah Hunter
Cc: gimp-user-list@gnome.org ; gimp-docs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-docs] Accessibility documentation request

Dear Ms. Hunter,

GIMP is open source software, available for download by anybody at no charge, subject to a specific licensing agreement. That licensing agreement does not make any warranty of accessibility. If the state of Texas purchased this software, it was obtained from a third party, not directly from the GIMP project. Any responsibility for documenting accessibility would lie with that third party.

See http://www.gimp.org for more information about the project.

Best regards, Bill Skaggs

(This email is purely informative. I do not have the right to speak for the GIMP project.)

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Sarah Hunter wrote:

This email is to request appropriate accessibility documentation for purchases from your company.

Federal and state laws require Texas state agencies to purchase only accessible electronic and information resources from our vendors. We (the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality) are currently reviewing all of our software purchases and have been unable to locate the required accessibility documentation for *GIMP.*

Per Texas Administrative Code, appropriate accessibility documentation may be in the form of a Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT) or an accessible electronic document that addresses the same accessibility criteria in substantially the same format as a VPAT or equivalent reporting
template.

I have attached an industry-standard VPAT for your convenience. You may also
find the Even Grounds website
to be
helpful.

Please provide the requested information by *June 15th, 2015*. If I can be of assistance, or if you need additional information, please let me know.

Thank you,

*Sarah Hunter*

*Accessibility Intern | Information Resources Department *

*Sarah.Hunter@tceq.texas.gov*

*512-239-4773 *

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Actually I think the information Ms. Hunter wants, such as it is, is on this page:

http://www.gimp.org/about/

I can see she's going to have to call Legal on this one. Grin. TCEQ has a staff of lawyers one calls about anything. ;) Some of them even have common sense.

Dora

-----Original Message----- From: Bill Skaggs
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:11 AM To: Sarah Hunter
Cc: gimp-user-list@gnome.org ; gimp-docs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-docs] Accessibility documentation request

Dear Ms. Hunter,

GIMP is open source software, available for download by anybody at no charge, subject to a specific licensing agreement. That licensing agreement does not make any warranty of accessibility. If the state of Texas purchased this software, it was obtained from a third party, not directly from the GIMP project. Any responsibility for documenting accessibility would lie with that third party.

See http://www.gimp.org for more information about the project.

Best regards, Bill Skaggs

(This email is purely informative. I do not have the right to speak for the GIMP project.)

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Sarah Hunter wrote:

This email is to request appropriate accessibility documentation for purchases from your company.

Federal and state laws require Texas state agencies to purchase only accessible electronic and information resources from our vendors. We (the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality) are currently reviewing all of our software purchases and have been unable to locate the required accessibility documentation for *GIMP.*

Per Texas Administrative Code, appropriate accessibility documentation may be in the form of a Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT) or an accessible electronic document that addresses the same accessibility criteria in substantially the same format as a VPAT or equivalent reporting
template.

I have attached an industry-standard VPAT for your convenience. You may also
find the Even Grounds website
to be
helpful.

Please provide the requested information by *June 15th, 2015*. If I can be of assistance, or if you need additional information, please let me know.

Thank you,

*Sarah Hunter*

*Accessibility Intern | Information Resources Department *

*Sarah.Hunter@tceq.texas.gov*

*512-239-4773 *

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On Wednesday 24 June 2015 01:11:05 Dora Smith wrote:

Actually I think the information Ms. Hunter wants, such as it is, is on this page:

http://www.gimp.org/about/

I can see she's going to have to call Legal on this one. Grin. TCEQ has a staff of lawyers one calls about anything. ;) Some of them even have common sense.

Dora

Humm, I thought that was grounds for disbarment. ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Skaggs
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 9:11 AM To: Sarah Hunter
Cc: gimp-user-list@gnome.org ; gimp-docs-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] [Gimp-docs] Accessibility documentation request

Dear Ms. Hunter,

GIMP is open source software, available for download by anybody at no charge, subject to a specific licensing agreement. That licensing agreement does not make any warranty of accessibility. If the state of Texas purchased this software, it was obtained from a third party, not directly from the GIMP project. Any responsibility for documenting accessibility would lie with that third party.

See http://www.gimp.org for more information about the project.

Best regards, Bill Skaggs

(This email is purely informative. I do not have the right to speak for the GIMP project.)

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Sarah Hunter

wrote:

This email is to request appropriate accessibility documentation for purchases from your company.

Federal and state laws require Texas state agencies to purchase only accessible electronic and information resources from our vendors. We (the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality) are currently reviewing all of our software purchases and have been unable to locate the required accessibility documentation for *GIMP.*

Per Texas Administrative Code, appropriate accessibility documentation may be in the form of a Voluntary Product Accessibility Template (VPAT) or an accessible electronic document that addresses the same accessibility criteria in substantially the same format as a VPAT or equivalent reporting template.

I have attached an industry-standard VPAT for your convenience. You may also
find the Even Grounds website
to be
helpful.

Please provide the requested information by *June 15th, 2015*. If I can be of assistance, or if you need additional information, please let me know.

Thank you,

*Sarah Hunter*

*Accessibility Intern | Information Resources Department *

*Sarah.Hunter@tceq.texas.gov*

*512-239-4773 *

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On 06/24/2015 07:11 AM, Dora Smith wrote:

Actually I think the information Ms. Hunter wants, such as it is, is on this page:

Well, there is a reply in this very thread that contains links to the form we filled in to answer this request... mostly because evaluating GIMP from an accessibility POV is an interesting task.

Regards,
Michael
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They seriously think so at TCEQ.

Dora

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Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 8:10 AM To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
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On Wednesday 24 June 2015 01:11:05 Dora Smith wrote:

Actually I think the information Ms. Hunter wants, such as it is, is on this page:

http://www.gimp.org/about/

I can see she's going to have to call Legal on this one. Grin. TCEQ has a staff of lawyers one calls about anything. ;) Some of them even have common sense.

Dora

Humm, I thought that was grounds for disbarment. ;-)

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In the GNOME git repositry page:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp-help-2 you can find the address to clone : ssh://USERNAME@git.gnome.org/git/gimp-help-2

Julien

Le 02/08/2015 23:15, Kolbjrn Stuestl a crit :

I was trying to update my translation this night using git push, but get the error message
"remote: error: refname 'GIMP_HELP_2_8_2' is ambiguous". "To ssh://[my_username]/git/gimp-help-2"

It's a long time since I pushed something to the translation, so perhaps I have forgotten something.
How and where do I set the correct refname?

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On Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 11:15:21PM +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

I was trying to update my translation this night using git push, but get the error message
"remote: error: refname 'GIMP_HELP_2_8_2' is ambiguous". "To ssh://[my_username]/git/gimp-help-2"

It's a long time since I pushed something to the translation, so perhaps I have forgotten something.
How and where do I set the correct refname?

Why are you not working on master? Is there a reason? Save your work somewhere on your disk or git "stash" it away then try:

git checkout master git pull

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Den 03.08.2015 09:44, Marco Ciampa skreiv:

On Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 11:15:21PM +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

I was trying to update my translation this night using git push, but get the error message
"remote: error: refname 'GIMP_HELP_2_8_2' is ambiguous". "To ssh://[my_username]/git/gimp-help-2"

It's a long time since I pushed something to the translation, so perhaps I have forgotten something.
How and where do I set the correct refname?

Why are you not working on master? Is there a reason? Save your work somewhere on your disk or git "stash" it away then try:

git checkout master git pull

--

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Thank you, Julien and Marco. Glad to hear from you both. No reason, Marco. I just did as I "always" did. Was trying to update an image left over from the version 2.0 or something in my translation. I'll try your suggestion tonight.
BTW:
Julien: as you see in my mail I am using: ssh://USERNAME@git.gnome.org/git/gimp-help-2 I do not know where the refname gimp_help_2_8_2 come from. Kolbjørn

Strange?
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp-help-2 shows that GIMP_HELP_2_8_2 master has accepted my updating 24 hours ago. So the address is not *that* ambiguous :-).
Looks like there is no need to change anything in my settings for git. Kolbjørn

Den 03.08.2015 11:12, Kolbjørn Stuestøl skreiv:

Den 03.08.2015 09:44, Marco Ciampa skreiv:

On Sun, Aug 02, 2015 at 11:15:21PM +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

I was trying to update my translation this night using git push, but get the error message
"remote: error: refname 'GIMP_HELP_2_8_2' is ambiguous". "To ssh://[my_username]/git/gimp-help-2"

It's a long time since I pushed something to the translation, so perhaps I have forgotten something.
How and where do I set the correct refname?

Why are you not working on master? Is there a reason? Save your work somewhere on your disk or git "stash" it away then try:

git checkout master git pull

--

Marco Ciampa

Thank you, Julien and Marco. Glad to hear from you both. No reason, Marco. I just did as I "always" did. Was trying to update an image left over from the version 2.0 or something in my translation. I'll try your suggestion tonight.
BTW:
Julien: as you see in my mail I am using: ssh://USERNAME@git.gnome.org/git/gimp-help-2 I do not know where the refname gimp_help_2_8_2 come from. Kolbjørn
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On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 11:13:26PM +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

Strange?
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp-help-2 shows that GIMP_HELP_2_8_2 master has accepted my updating 24 hours ago. So the address is not *that* ambiguous :-).
Looks like there is no need to change anything in my settings for git. Kolbjørn

Yes strange.

Apparently GIMP_HELP_2_8_2 is a tag that is actually also master. If you are set onto that tag it should prompt the infamous message of "detached HEAD" like this:

----

git checkout GIMP_HELP_2_8_2 Note: checking out 'GIMP_HELP_2_8_2'.

You are in 'detached HEAD' state.You can look around, make experimental changes and commit them, and you can discard any commits you make in this state without impacting any branches by performing another checkout.

If you want to create a new branch to retain commits you create, you may do so (now or later) by using -b with the checkout command again. Example:

git checkout -b new_branch_name

HEAD is now at 8529155... Added link to 2.8.2 release

----

redoing git checkout master fix it:

----

git checkout master Previous HEAD position was 8529155... Added link to 2.8.2 release Switched to branch 'master'
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.

----

So I cannot explain that previous error message. Anyway it is all ok so... no problem! :-)

PS: I'll stay off-line for a week or so for holydays in London...

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Thank you.
I'll look at it when getting back to the computer I'm using for this kind of works.

Kolbjørn

Den 03.08.2015 23:47, Marco Ciampa skreiv:

On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 11:13:26PM +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

Strange?
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp-help-2 shows that GIMP_HELP_2_8_2 master has accepted my updating 24 hours ago. So the address is not *that* ambiguous :-).
Looks like there is no need to change anything in my settings for git. Kolbjørn

Yes strange.

Apparently GIMP_HELP_2_8_2 is a tag that is actually also master. If you are set onto that tag it should prompt the infamous message of "detached HEAD" like this:

----

git checkout GIMP_HELP_2_8_2 Note: checking out 'GIMP_HELP_2_8_2'.

You are in 'detached HEAD' state.You can look around, make experimental changes and commit them, and you can discard any commits you make in this state without impacting any branches by performing another checkout.

If you want to create a new branch to retain commits you create, you may do so (now or later) by using -b with the checkout command again. Example:

git checkout -b new_branch_name

HEAD is now at 8529155... Added link to 2.8.2 release

----

redoing git checkout master fix it:

----

git checkout master Previous HEAD position was 8529155... Added link to 2.8.2 release Switched to branch 'master'
Your branch is up-to-date with 'origin/master'.

----

So I cannot explain that previous error message. Anyway it is all ok so... no problem! :-)

PS: I'll stay off-line for a week or so for holydays in London...

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Hi,

please do not hijack existing threads for new topics - this gets sorting all wrong (it is sorted inside the thread that is asking for accessibility documentation.

When starting a new topic, please compose a new message in your mail client.

Regards,
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