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transition photoshop to gimp crumpy_panda 15 Mar 11:18
  transition photoshop to gimp crumpy_panda 15 Mar 13:55
   transition photoshop to gimp Sam Gleske 15 Mar 15:40
    transition photoshop to gimp Mark Morin 15 Mar 15:51
    transition photoshop to gimp crumpy_panda 15 Mar 16:05
   transition photoshop to gimp Michael Schumacher 15 Mar 15:42
    transition photoshop to gimp crumpy_panda 15 Mar 16:04
     transition photoshop to gimp scl 15 Mar 16:49
      transition photoshop to gimp crumpy_panda 17 Mar 13:05
     transition photoshop to gimp tobias.lunte@hfg-gmuend.de 15 Mar 16:53
      transition photoshop to gimp crumpy_panda 17 Mar 13:09
crumpy_panda
2014-03-15 11:18:55 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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Hey,

Im currently looking atthe possibility to replace photoshop with gimp.. Just finished a random private project... a floor replacement. (the file i worked with is attached)

So some Things i encountered in direct comparison to photoshop. It is total in the realm of possibility that i didn´t know about the feature i miss.. or theres another equally cool way to achieve my goals.. I´m a new GIMP user..

The possibility to work non destructive.. isn´t quite there in gimp. # no adjustment layers (curves, color correction etc.) # no layer masks for layer folders

some minor issues i ran into # i cant mark multiple layers with strg or shift + leftclick (if i want to drop 10 layers in a folder... i have to manually push them into it .. one by one) # the cage transform tool doenst save your transform cage.. i cant go in and tweak the cage.. # the use of the move & scale & other transform tools feel clunky in comparison to photoshop.. even with hotkeys # different blend modes in one layer folder ... produce strange results.. there isnt an option "work through" like in photoshop

on the plus side + the path tools are really intuitive and fluid to use + saving and exporting work smooth as ... butter + selection generation and manipulation are intuitive and fast + painting works nice

i love it so far... and am sure that i can replace photoshop with more practise and knowledge about GIMP..

cheears & and stay awesome

.edit ok the file seems to big for the forum heres a link: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3264332/fliesen_replace_photo_01_002.xcf

crumpy_panda
2014-03-15 13:55:28 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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if it wasn´t clear i would appreciate feedback ... concerning the structure of my file.. and your input on the usability questions ;)

Sam Gleske
2014-03-15 15:40:18 UTC (over 10 years ago)

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I can only download the first 600kb of the file.... funny enough though GIMP can still open the corrupt image and show two layers :D... I thought that was cool. In any case, either the file is corrupt or something is wrong with the Dropbox host.

On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:55 AM, crumpy_panda wrote:

if it wasnt clear i would appreciate feedback ... concerning the structure of
my file.. and your input on the usability questions ;)

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Michael Schumacher
2014-03-15 15:42:50 UTC (over 10 years ago)

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On 15.03.2014 14:55, crumpy_panda wrote:

if it wasn´t clear i would appreciate feedback ... concerning the structure of my file.. and your input on the usability questions ;)

Um... questions?

Regards,
Michael
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Mark Morin
2014-03-15 15:51:16 UTC (over 10 years ago)

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I was able to download the complete file. Haven't had time to look at it and don't know if I will have anything to offer but the file itself seems good.
mark

On 3/15/2014 11:40 AM, Sam Gleske wrote:

I can only download the first 600kb of the file.... funny enough though GIMP can still open the corrupt image and show two layers :D... I thought that was cool. In any case, either the file is corrupt or something is wrong with the Dropbox host.

On Sat, Mar 15, 2014 at 9:55 AM, crumpy_panda wrote:

if it wasnt clear i would appreciate feedback ... concerning the structure of
my file.. and your input on the usability questions ;)

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crumpy_panda
2014-03-15 16:04:07 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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Um... questions?

well i didnt formulated them out... you are right ;)

so one important one would be:

Is there a hidden option for a complete non destructive worklfow ? like adjustment layers and non permanent filter in photoshop ?

how important is a non destructive workflow for the developers ? are they aware that it isnt possible right now ? is it planned to get it implemented better ?

the layer folders seem to be a neglected child.. why?

crumpy_panda
2014-03-15 16:05:53 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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I can only download the first 600kb of the file.... funny enough though
GIMP can still open the corrupt image and show two layers :D... I thought
that was cool. In any case, either the file is corrupt or something is
wrong with the Dropbox host.

I checked it .. it was possible for me to download the complete file and open it..

scl
2014-03-15 16:49:53 UTC (over 10 years ago)

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On 15.3.2014 at 5:04 PM crumpy_panda wrote:

Is there a hidden option for a complete non destructive worklfow ? like adjustment layers and non permanent filter in photoshop ?

GIMP has no adjustment layers, but we're working on a non-destructive workflow. At the next LibreGraphicsMeeting in Leipzig there will be an [agenda item] on how a non-destructive workflow will look in GIMP. I'm not sure whether GIMP's solution will be adjustment layers but I am curious.
For now you can use layers and layer masks to work non-destructively.

What exactly do you mean with non-permanent filters in Photoshop? Do you mean the Smart filters?

how important is a non destructive workflow for the developers ? are they aware
that it isnt possible right now ? is it planned to get it implemented better ?

It is important and we're working on it. Look out for GEGL. See also our [roadmap] and the [GEGL porting matrix].

the layer folders seem to be a neglected child.. why?

In GIMP you can group layers with Layer groups. Unfortunately they don't have masks, but this is a work in progress (see the first item on the roadmap).

Kind regards,

Sven

[agenda item] http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/program/

[roadmap]: http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Roadmap

[GEGL porting matrix]: http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Hacking:Porting_filters_to_GEGL

tobias.lunte@hfg-gmuend.de
2014-03-15 16:53:08 UTC (over 10 years ago)

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Hi,

The question isn't really if the workflow is nondestructive, but rather, to what extent. In GIMP you can paint nondestructively by using a new transparent layer. In photoshop you can do that and on top of that use layer effects/filters nondestructively. That is, afaik, not currently possible in GIMP.

However, the big project the developers are working on right now is transitioning GIMP to a new core, called GEGL. With that, it should be possible to retroactively change pretty much anything you have done to the image, even far more than is possible with photoshop right now. But, as I said, it is a big project and we don't now when it will be done/released.

Am 15.03.2014 17:04, schrieb crumpy_panda:

Um... questions?

well i didnt formulated them

out... you are right ;)

so one important one would be:

Is

there a hidden option for a complete non destructive worklfow ? like

adjustment layers and non permanent filter in photoshop ?

how

important is a non destructive workflow for the developers ? are they aware

that it isnt possible right now ? is it planned to get it

implemented better ?

the layer folders seem to be a neglected

child.. why?

crumpy_panda
2014-03-17 13:05:32 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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On 15.3.2014 at 5:04 PM crumpy_panda wrote: GIMP has no adjustment layers, but we're working on a non-destructive workflow. At the next LibreGraphicsMeeting in Leipzig there will be an [agenda item] on how a non-destructive workflow will look in GIMP. I'm not sure whether GIMP's solution will be adjustment layers but I am curious.
For now you can use layers and layer masks to work non-destructively.

What exactly do you mean with non-permanent filters in Photoshop? Do you mean the Smart filters?

Yeah the term they use for non permanent and adjustable filters issmart filters.. you are right. I wasn´t sure about the exact word and don´t have Photoshop installed on this box ;)

It is important and we're working on it. Look out for GEGL. See also our [roadmap] and the [GEGL porting matrix]. In GIMP you can group layers with Layer groups. Unfortunately they don't have masks, but this is a work in progress (see the first item on the roadmap).

Kind regards,

Sven

[agenda item] http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2014/program/

[roadmap]: http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Roadmap

[GEGL porting matrix]: http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Hacking:Porting_filters_to_GEGL

That´s such good news for me.. and Thank you very much for the links / infos and resources.. I will look into them and into to possibility to contribute something (even if its only a well formulated and thought through wish.. list.

greetings andi

crumpy_panda
2014-03-17 13:09:53 UTC (over 10 years ago)
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Hi,

The question isn't really if the workflow is nondestructive, but rather, to what extent. In GIMP you can paint nondestructively by using a new transparent layer. In photoshop you can do that and on top of that use layer effects/filters nondestructively. That is, afaik, not
currently possible in GIMP.

However, the big project the developers are working on right now is transitioning GIMP to a new core, called GEGL. With that, it should be possible to retroactively change pretty much anything you have done to the image, even far more than is possible
with photoshop right now. But, as I said, it is a big project and we don't now when it will be done/released.

Am 15.03.2014 17:04, schrieb crumpy_panda:
out... you are right ;)
there a hidden option for a complete non destructive worklfow ? like adjustment layers and non permanent filter in photoshop ? important is a non destructive workflow for the developers ? are they aware
implemented better ?
child.. why?

;D im currently exploring poetry as a .. way to express myself .. and am sorry if my text isnt conforming to standards someone expects or finds easier to read..

i smiled at your funny reply.. ;) greetings

the new planned core sounds interesting.. especially with the possibility to revert "all" manipulation done to the source material..

ty for your reply andi