That's okay, the GiMP will get by without you. But you're right about many things. Among these is that it is written, maintained and directed by tech people with the notion that they are taking on the big boys and that they have a "professional workflow" in mind as they continue to develop. One problem, though, as they have demonstrated time and time again, GiMP does not take complaints or suggestions.

This is where they completely miss the "professional" goal. Users and customers are considered to be valuable in the professional world and it doesn't matter if the software is free or not.

For what it's worth, I personally find GiMP easier than Photoshop. But then again, I started on GiMP and Inkscape before trying Photoshop and Illustrator. "Easy and Intuitive" has a lot to do with where you started. I started with those for graphics and in a larger sense, I started with *NIX before Linux was ever announced and never used GUIs until much later in the game and followed the principles and ideals of effective GUI design closely since then. GiMP breaks some of those rules but, as you might guess, they ignore complaints and suggestions. They keep using words like professional and workflow but I don't think they mean what they think they mean.

Be cautioned: there are a fair number of cheerleaders out there, and they aren't hard to spot.

Enjoy your experiences with Photoshop. I've never used wine in that way before and I've heard it has really matured. It has gotten me thinking that perhaps the best way for me to get the latest GiMP to work on the latest CentOS is to use wine and GiMP for Windows. I can't get it working terribly well under CentOS because of GTK compatibility issues. (I have recently learned this introduction of DLL hell was intentionally created in order to kill GNOME2. Taking a page from Microsoft's playbook? I guess they missed the part where such tactics are largely why people HATE MICROSOFT.)

On 03/13/2014 12:15 PM, Full Name wrote:

You know... I just wanted to express my concern of Gimp and if you're not the right person than pass it on.

I have been using Linux since 1999 and have used Gimp for many years now and I am at the point of discontinuing the use of it.

First I will give a positive... It's about time Gimp has been made into a ONE-WINDOW application!!! Took you people long enough. I have always loved the EASE of gimp in the beginning all the way up until about version 2.0 - after that, it started going down hill.

This program used to be easy to work with and was somewhat user-friendly. Today on the other hand, it is FAR from being user-friendly. But I am sure you people have not one clue of this as you continue down that path. I have SEVERAL friends on Linux including family members as I have set most of them up on Netrunner-OS and Zorin. NO ONE I have gotten into Linux, likes your Gimp program. Today, I myself am having a hard time figuring out Gimp... because it gets completely changed with each new release!! I have BETTER things to do than to RE-LEARN a program with every new release.

Anyone can tell that Gimp is created by the techie programmers FOR the techie programmers because anyone I have introduced this program to recently has quickly found that it is a piece of worthless, UN- user friendly Crap and have decided to uninstall it from their computers for good. Things that should be very easy to implement are either hidden for some ridiculous reason or you programmers simply have no freaking clue what the hell it is you’re doing!! Just because you can program, doesn't make you any more smart than anyone else. Because it is obvious you have no idea what it take TO design a program for the people.

Whatever... Now I am having to install Photoshop on all computers using wine and thanks to YOU, it has caused me a great deal of work. As I am a big supporter of open source software amongst my group of friends and family... plus those I newly meet... most seem to want to go back to the spy-wares like MicroTrash and Crapple and I find it a task to keep them all on Linux. YOU however,... make my job SO MUCH harder!!!

Just wanted to THANK YOU for being true morons who happen to eat, sleep and shit behind your computers to create garbage that makes my life all that much harder. THANKS SO MUCH ~ NOT!!!

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* Full Name [03-13-14 17:50]:

You know... I just wanted to express my concern of Gimp and if you're not the right person than pass it on.

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Have a nice day~

And you are so proud of your ranting that you even hide your name. I guess this is just SPAM that made it thru the list filters.

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On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 2:13 AM, Daniel Hauck wrote:

That's okay, the GiMP will get by without you. But you're right about many things. Among these is that it is written, maintained and directed by tech people with the notion that they are taking on the big boys and that they have a "professional workflow" in mind as they continue to develop. One problem, though, as they have demonstrated time and time again, GiMP does not take complaints or suggestions.

Daniel,

I find it symptomatic that you need to go all the way to outright denial to prove your point.

Should your statement be taken seriously, you'd have to be able to explain, how it is possible that

1) we don't take complaints, but regularly fix bugs (bug reports _are_ complaints) and adjust features;
2) we don't take suggestions, but regularly add features requested by users.

Of course, we can have another session of you facing the facts and denying them, or you can agree that we do listen to feedback and act on it where we find it appropriate.

Alternatively, you could improve your life quality by order of magnitude by stopping to use GIMP and leaving the community, because it looks like you are not happy, and no amount of feedback going back and forth appears to help.

Alexandre