On 8/8/2013 1:47 PM, maderios wrote:

Hi
This positive proposal could end the eternal discussion "save vs. export", etc ....
Developers could offer two versions of Gimp: - One version for amateurs with the gimp 2.8 behavior - One version for professionals with the gimp 2.6 behavior that allows to save files quickly and normally just like most free or commercial editors images.
This would allow everyone to be satisfied Greetings
--
Maderios

You try to satisfy everybody nobody ends up satisfied. If enough people want it, they can fork it.

On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:47 PM, maderios wrote:

Hi
This positive proposal could end the eternal discussion "save vs. export", etc ....
Developers could offer two versions of Gimp: - One version for amateurs with the gimp 2.8 behavior - One version for professionals with the gimp 2.6 behavior that allows to save files quickly and normally just like most free or commercial editors images.
This would allow everyone to be satisfied

Except for developers who would have to maintain two versions. But who cares about them, eh?

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

On 08/08/2013 03:47 PM, maderios wrote:

Hi
This positive proposal could end the eternal discussion "save vs. export", etc ....
Developers could offer two versions of Gimp: - One version for amateurs with the gimp 2.8 behavior - One version for professionals with the gimp 2.6 behavior that allows to save files quickly and normally just like most free or commercial editors images.
This would allow everyone to be satisfied Greetings

I'm just a user, and do not speak for anybody other than myself, but...

Your approach would mean maintaining *two* different programs which would continue to diverge over time. I very much doubt that "the developers" have the energy to do that -- sometimes it seems that they don't have enough energy to do all that they would like with just one version.

It seems to me that "the developer's" point of view is that amateurs should use a simpler program and not use Gimp at all.

This is open-source software. You are welcome to become a developer, fork the project, and do all this yourself or you can build a team to do it. Or you can hire people to do it for you. But asking the developers -- all volunteers -- to increase their workload (the divergence would keep widening over time) is not how things work in open-source software as I understand it.

If my vote counted (which it does not because I am not in the "target user group"), I would vote against this export requirement also. However, I know better than to waste more energy on the subject.

Jay

Am 08.08.2013 21:47, schrieb maderios:

Hi
This positive proposal could end the eternal discussion "save vs. export", etc ....
Developers could offer two versions of Gimp: - One version for amateurs with the gimp 2.8 behavior - One version for professionals with the gimp 2.6 behavior that allows to save files quickly and normally just like most free or commercial editors images.
This would allow everyone to be satisfied Greetings

that's sensless
it is like it is and this is not a perfect world, so never ever everyone could be satisfied
this whole discussion about save, export and so on is only a wasting of time so stop that and do what GIMP is for - (GNU) IMAGE MANIPULATION (PROGRAMM)

On 08.08.2013 at 10:00 P.M., Jay Smith wrote:

This is open-source software. You are welcome to become a developer, fork the project, and do all this yourself or you can build a team to do it. Or you can hire people to do it for you. But asking the developers -- all volunteers -- to increase their workload (the divergence would keep widening over time) is not how things work in open-source software as I understand it.

+1. You hit the nail right on the head - we're mostly volunteers, doing it in our limited spare time. And the one who is working by profession on GIMP has AFAIK been overloaded for years.

However, I know better than to waste more energy on the subject.

+1

Let's not forget: GIMP has a plug-in architecture. This means you can remove and add plug-ins to make GIMP fit your needs and personal preferences.
The plug-in registry* has a bunch of plug-ins and there are projects like FX-Foundry* or G'Mic*. And in the whole, long discussion on the Save./.Export-behaviour some plug-ins were mentioned to solve this problem for the users who don't like or can't stay with the new behaviour. From this point of view I don't think we need many separate versions.

Kind regards,

Sven

*plug-in registry: http://registry.gimp.org/ *FX-Foundry: http://gimpfx-foundry.sourceforge.net/ *G'Mic: http://gmic.sourceforge.net/gimp.shtml

On Sat, Aug 10, 2013 at 2:11 PM, maderios wrote:

Developers could offer two versions of Gimp: - One version for amateurs with the gimp 2.8 behavior - One version for professionals with the gimp 2.6 behavior that allows to save files quickly and normally just like most free or commercial editors images.
This would allow everyone to be satisfied

Except for developers who would have to maintain two versions. But who cares about them, eh?

I think that both versions would not be very different, thus coding and maintenance would be small. Another solution would consist in keeping single Gimp but in proposing two possible configurations. Even approach as for both interfaces.

I realize it might sound arrogant, but do you understand the meaning of the word "no"?

Alexandre

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:11:55 +0200, maderios wrote:

I think that both versions would not be very different, thus coding and maintenance would be small.

Well, if it's that simple, why don't you do it?

< Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternallybored.org/ >

* maderios [08-10-13 08:58]:

On 08/10/2013 02:36 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 12:11:55 +0200, maderios wrote:

I think that both versions would not be very different, thus coding and maintenance would be small.

Well, if it's that simple, why don't you do it?

Good question but I'm not developer...

Then you will need to purchase a good paddle as you are caught in the stream!

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On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:55:43 +0200, maderios wrote:

Good question but I'm not developer...

Then how can you know it's simple?

< Jernej Simončič ><><><><>< http://eternallybored.org/ >

On 8/10/2013 9:52 AM, maderios wrote:

On 08/10/2013 03:45 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:55:43 +0200, maderios wrote:

Good question but I'm not developer...

Then how can you know it's simple?

*know* and *simple* are your words

I wrote : *I think that both versions would not be very different, thus coding and maintenance would be small*

Let's rephrase, then.

How do you know both versions would not be different and coding would be small?

On 10 August 2013 12:52, maderios wrote:

On 08/10/2013 03:45 PM, Jernej Simončič wrote:

On Sat, 10 Aug 2013 14:55:43 +0200, maderios wrote:

Good question but I'm not developer...

Then how can you know it's simple?

*know* and *simple* are your words

I wrote : *I think that both versions would not be very different, thus coding and maintenance would be small*

maderios -
Now, talking seriously - this subject has come, and come again in this list for months if not years.
The answer for a second officially maintained GIMP changing just this small behavior
is plain "No" as in "no" - niet, nada, zip, nil, não This won't be done!

Just stop writing along these lines before everyone around ignores your e-mail

Check Akana's plug-ins for automatically exporting/not asking for closing confirmation -
come up with ideas for plug-ins that could ease the workflow for multiple simple edits, like most people seem to want (which would be moving forward, not backwards)
Bind "ctrl + s" to "File/Export" or whatever please you.

As for an unofficial fork keeping the old behavior, as far as I know someone had done that,
and justa s every serious reply to you mentioned would happen: it just rotted away, unmaintained.

--
Maderios

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