On 11/18/2012 12:09 PM, jenn golden wrote:

Is there a way to get back all of your layers once you save a file and close out of it? I am new and am creating magazince covers - All I need to do is change the pic - but did not want to have to re-create the entire cover if I did not need too.... Thanks!

Are you using gimp 2.8? If so, when you "save" the file all the layers are retained (unless you specifically merged them). You would "export" to (e.g.) jpg or png, and then save to xcf format. Loading the .xcf version should still have all the layers. Loading the exported .png or .jpg version would not.

-- Burnie

what he said. that's what i meant when i said before that you would still have the layers, that you had the .xcf file somewhere. :)
dan

On 11/18/12, Burnie West wrote:

On 11/18/2012 12:09 PM, jenn golden wrote:

Is there a way to get back all of your layers once you save a file and close
out of it? I am new and am creating magazince covers - All I need to do is

change the pic - but did not want to have to re-create the entire cover if I
did not need too.... Thanks!

Are you using gimp 2.8? If so, when you "save" the file all the layers are retained (unless you specifically merged them). You would "export" to (e.g.) jpg
or png, and then save to xcf format. Loading the .xcf version should still have
all the layers. Loading the exported .png or .jpg version would not.

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On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 03:57:15PM -0500, jenn golden wrote:

I totally understood what you both said - but I didn't know that I had to save it both ways - I only saved it, or exported it at a .jpg... Does that mean I can't recover the .xcf?

Right. Jpeg files don't keep layers. This is why the new 2.8 version of Gimp doesn't consider files saved as jpegs to be actually saved.

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On 11/18/2012 03:57 PM, jenn golden wrote:

I totally understood what you both said - but I didn't know that I had to save it both ways - I only saved it, or exported it at a .jpg... Does that mean I can't recover the .xcf?

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Daniel Smith > wrote:

what he said. that's what i meant when i said before that you would still have the layers, that you had the .xcf file somewhere. :)
dan

I don't want to "start anything", but this just points out what I said originally: It is not possible to always protect everybody from themselves.

I am very sorry for Jenn's misfortune and I do not mean to be disrespectful.

However, this is an excellent illustration that this "controversial" change in the save/export methods is not a perfect solution either.

Jay

On 11/18/2012 01:13 PM, jenn golden wrote:

However, this is an excellent illustration that this "controversial" change in the save/export methods is not a perfect solution either.

On the good side, however, Jenn is happy to have "learned the lesson" -- and is fully up to speed with the difference between save and export.

-- Burnie

On 11/18/2012 04:38 PM, Burnie West wrote:

On 11/18/2012 01:13 PM, jenn golden wrote:

However, this is an excellent illustration that this "controversial" change in the save/export methods is not a perfect solution either.

On the good side, however, Jenn is happy to have "learned the lesson" -- and is fully up to speed with the difference between save and export.

-- Burnie

Yes, Jenn seems to be taking it well. Again, I am sorry that she had to go through that frustration.

However, when I originally brought up my point that sometimes people (in general) have to "learn a lesson" the hard way in order to really learn, I was told, in various ways, with varying language, by several of the developer group, that I was a terrible excuse for a person -- if I was even a human being at all.

Oh well. Fortunately, I found that reaction more amusing than anything else. The virulence of that reaction told more about them than anything else.

I am just saddened that the most of the type of work my company does with Gimp is no longer (maybe it never was?) included in the "target user/use" definition. Because it does not make economic sense for a company to train and support users in two different graphics programs, there will eventually come a time (since I presume the goals of the program developers will continue to evolve away from our typical workflow), when we will have to switch to _one_ other program to do our graphics work. That's sad because Gimp has so much to offer. However, as the world changes, we all must move on. Complaining serves no purpose since the people who do the work, and thus "own" the program, are completely within their rights to do whatever they want. There is nothing "wrong" with that, however, the consequences are sometimes sad. Such is life.

Jay

* Jay Smith [11-18-12 16:59]:
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I am just saddened that the most of the type of work my company does with Gimp is no longer (maybe it never was?) included in the "target user/use" definition. Because it does not make economic sense for a company to train and support users in two different graphics programs, there will eventually come a time (since I presume the goals of the program developers will continue to evolve away from our typical workflow), when we will have to switch to _one_ other program to do our graphics work. That's sad because Gimp has so much to offer.

...

You play a fiddle with no strings.

There is a script usable that returns to nearly the same actions which you desire. Perhaps you are having a problem with the words presented here.

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On 11/18/2012 10:06 PM, Jay Smith wrote:

However, this is an excellent illustration that this "controversial" change in the save/export methods is not a perfect solution either.

Hi everybody
Using an editor software requires a minimum of knowledge..... It's just like driving a car:look ahead, not behind, watch the road, watch the panel, etc...
The new gimp-2.8 save/export is is not made ​​to work but is only useful for newbies. I still say that the user should have the possibility to choose because this new save/export is a cause of lost time.

Greetings

Maderios

"Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures."
"L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure" (Georges Braque)

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, maderios wrote:

The new gimp-2.8 save/export is is not made to work but is only useful for newbies. I still say that the user should have the possibility to choose because this new save/export is a cause of lost time.

The amount of time you put into the defamation campaign is truly impressive :)

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

On Monday, November 19, 2012 3:36:30 PM Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, maderios wrote:

The new gimp-2.8 save/export is is not made to work but is only useful for
newbies. I still say that the user should have the possibility to choose because this new save/export is a cause of lost time.

The amount of time you put into the defamation campaign is truly impressive :)

Alexandre Prokoudine
http://libregraphicsworld.org

/me points maderios to https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp

On 11/19/2012 12:36 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, maderios wrote:

The new gimp-2.8 save/export is is not made to work but is only useful for newbies. I still say that the user should have the possibility to choose because this new save/export is a cause of lost time.

The amount of time you put into the defamation campaign is truly impressive :)

I spent less time posting here than circumvent the problems of the new and crazy save/export. I think it scares away new users, it is not the goal...
Greetings

Maderios

"Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures."
"L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure" (Georges Braque)

On 11/19/2012 12:57 PM, Archie Arevalo wrote:

/me points maderios to https://github.com/mskala/noxcf-gimp

Thanks but I need a stable version.... Otherwise, I like and I need .xcf but only when I want and where I want. Greetings

Maderios

"Art is meant to disturb. Science reassures."
"L'art est fait pour troubler. La science rassure" (Georges Braque)

Yours is one of these cases where the new (and somewhat controversial) save/export distinction in 2.8 is actually a good thing, since after outputting a flat JPG you find you now want to go back and update the layer composition - only to find that your JPG doesn't contain any layer composition, everything was merged into a single flat RGB surface. There's no way around it - you NEED to have saved an XCF copy of your image to record the individual layers; if you didn't, then sorry but the only thing you can do is try to recreate the layer composition from scratch again.

It is not necessarily "wrong" to export say a JPG/PNG copy of an image without saving an XCF workfile of it -- sometimes you really are finished with an image and don't need to go back and make further edits to it (and if the edits are extremely simple, like a photo crop/resize, then the amount of potential lost work may be an acceptably low risk), but if you think there's any chance of you coming back and tweaking it later, absolutely save an XCF version first.

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Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:57:15 -0500 From: ellimae288@gmail.com
To: opened.to@gmail.com
CC: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] finding layers after file has been closed

I totally understood what you both said - but I didn't know that I had to save it both ways - I only saved it, or exported it at a .jpg... Does that mean I can't recover the .xcf?

On Sun, Nov 18, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Daniel Smith wrote:

what he said. that's what i meant when i said before that you would

still have the layers, that you had the .xcf file somewhere.

:)

dan

On 11/18/12, Burnie West wrote:

On 11/18/2012 12:09 PM, jenn golden wrote:

Is there a way to get back all of your layers once you save a file and

close

out of it? I am new and am creating magazince covers - All I need to do is

change the pic - but did not want to have to re-create the entire cover if

I

did not need too.... Thanks!

Are you using gimp 2.8? If so, when you "save" the file all the layers are

retained (unless you specifically merged them). You would "export" to (e.g.)

jpg

or png, and then save to xcf format. Loading the .xcf version should still

have

all the layers. Loading the exported .png or .jpg version would not.

-- Burnie

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