On 9/9/2012 9:05 AM, Psiweapon wrote:

Hey there, I'm a newcomer, although I've been using Gimp for some years now (nothing advanced though)

Exactly WHY or WHO the HELL thought it was a good idea to leave common image formats (.png, .gif, etc.) out of the "save" menu in 2.8????

Was this decision taken because of legal issues, politicky crap, too much vodka, or what the fuck? Could anybody enlighten me, please?

Thank you for your time.

http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Save_%2B_export_specification

Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 18:01:01 +0200 From: psiweapon@gmail.com
To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org; juan.olvido@gmail.com; christenanderson1994@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] File format question

Hey thanks for the link!

I think I understood it. It's elitist, politicky crap, although an excess of vodka can't be ruled out with current evidence.

I guess I'll be adding my transparencies with Graphics Gale unless I totally need to use a RGB PNG for partial transparencies or whatever.

Good going for gimp, that move is very low-end user friendly. I guess the developers that introduced that now feel all special and 1337, with their program officially importing standard formats - also adds a lot of flexibility.

The "you can't use this dialog anymore, go through the service door you loser" is also really helpful and fun.

Thanks for your time!

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 5:17 PM, Christen Anderson wrote:

On 9/9/2012 9:05 AM, Psiweapon wrote:

Hey there, I'm a newcomer, although I've been using Gimp for some years now (nothing advanced though)

Exactly WHY or WHO the HELL thought it was a good idea to leave common image formats (.png, .gif, etc.) out of the "save" menu in 2.8????

Was this decision taken because of legal issues, politicky crap, too much vodka, or what the fuck? Could anybody enlighten me, please?

Thank you for your time.

http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/Save_%2B_export_specification

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So you know, there are several hundred emails on the mailing list 
discussing the whole save/export change and while yours is actually not 
the most venomous bitching we've heard about the subject ... it's pretty
 close.  Definitely would make the top ten, if not top five.

As 
mentioned in the link (which, hopefully you read, given your tone of 
voice it's hard to be sure), the problem is that a lot of people lost 
actual time and work on their compositions by saving to a standard file 
format and then quitting GIMP before saving back to their XCF workfile. 
 A related phenomena is that by saving to a standard file format and 
quitting, when GIMP asks to save changes and the user selects "yes" it 
saves changes to the (most recently used) non-XCF file instead of the 
XCK workfile, then it quits like you told it to.

As for me?  I am
 about 50% comfortable with the change and 50% critical of it.  I see 
the reasons why, and I have to keep reminding myself to use the new 
command, but if you can get used to the new model then it is actually 
faster than the old method.  At the same time, I still believe (and 
quite fiercely ;) ) that the message you get in the Save dialog should 
offer to transfer you to the Export command as a convenience, even 
though the devs won't hear anything of the sort (they disagree just as 
strong).

I also believe that this whole thing would never have
 become as great a problem if people used a little-known command called 
"Save a copy", which right now is completely identical to "Export" with 
exception of target file format.

-- Stratadrake
strata_ranger@hotmail.com
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On 09/09/2012 05:05 PM, Psiweapon wrote:

Hey there, I'm a newcomer, although I've been using Gimp for some years now (nothing advanced though)

Exactly WHY or WHO the HELL thought it was a good idea to leave common image formats (.png, .gif, etc.) out of the "save" menu in 2.8????

Was this decision taken because of legal issues, politicky crap, too much vodka, or what the fuck? Could anybody enlighten me, please?

Hi

You can get a plugin to resolve "bad" save function save-export-clean.py
here:
https://github.com/akkana/gimp-plugins/ https://mail.gnome.org/archives/gimp-user-list/2012-August/msg00072.html

Greetings

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:01 PM, Psiweapon wrote:

Hey thanks for the link!

I think I understood it. It's elitist, politicky crap, although an excess of vodka can't be ruled out with current evidence.

Dear Psiweapon,

I'd like to introduce you to good manners. Would you please accept my invitation?

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2012 19:27:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] File format question From: psiweapon@gmail.com
To: strata_ranger@hotmail.com

On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 6:40 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote:

So you know, there are several hundred emails on the mailing list discussing the whole save/export change Guessed as much, but thanks for the facts.

...And most of them, rather predictably, are the complaints. We have no firm statistics on how many peope like it vs. how many don't, but we can definitely say that those who do like it are less likely to discuss it on the mailing list.

As mentioned in the link (which, hopefully you read, given your tone of voice it's hard to be sure),
Yes, yes I did read.

Good, because when you're tossing around words and phrases like "crap", "elitist", and "ass backwards", no matter what your intention we do view it like (to phrase it bluntly) trolling. Tone of voice is probably the most difficult thing to communicate properly in text form -- choice of words, punctuation/timing between sentences, that's all we have to go on and the words you chose to use are totally full of unwanted negative baggage.

the problem is that a lot of people lost actual time and work on their compositions by saving to a standard file format and then quitting GIMP before saving back to their XCF workfile. A related phenomena is that by saving to a standard file format and quitting, when GIMP asks to save changes and the user selects "yes" it saves changes to the (most recently used) non-XCF file instead of the XCK workfile, then it quits like you told it to.

Seriously, that's user error.

You're damn straight that it is. But the ramifications were serious enough, and it happened frequently enough, that the developers ruled it was worth a paradigm-level design change. That decision was essentially made 4 or so years ago, before either you or I joined the mailing list.

-- Stratadrake strata_ranger@hotmail.com
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