Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor
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Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor
Hello guys,
I don't know if this topic already on the feature list or not, but I think this feature, wheter it'll come as plugin or built-in are very much appreciate.
Currently I'm working for personal project (as my training as well) for vfx shot.
After done keying for premultiply plate in blender compositor, I found that it still need extra 'clean-up', so I use GIMP for that.
I open as layers some of the sequences that already rendered as premul, then work on that.
On progressing, I found obstacle which is
1. As default, Gimp unable to export all layers into separate output. But gladly there's very handy plugin for that. Just search in Gimp plugin registry with keyword 'export layers'. (SOLVED)
2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the first time you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button for select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
3. As I work for sequenced images, moving between each frames are become inevitable. This is where timeline is needed. As for now, i have to open gap filter and run playback each time if want to check all my frames.
Gimp would be very advance layer based compositor. Since all fx that needed to create an awesome movie fx are available in gimp or by plugin registry such as chromatic aberration, noise filter, vector blur, lensflare, etc.
I hope this post beneficial for developers or others as well.
Thank you very much Gimp devs and community around the globe.
Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the first time you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button for select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click eye icon for the only visibly layer.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor
OMG, I just know this trick. Thanks a million for that Alexander.
But I think, for some new users they still need that toggle :-D On Aug 13, 2012 3:09 PM, "Alexandre Prokoudine" < alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the first
time
you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button
for
select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click eye icon for the only visibly layer.
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Aditia,
Very interesting.
So you're saying they already use blender for movie effects?
In production anywhere?
Can you give an example of movies that have used such effects?
Are you keeping a blog or screen shots of your process?
Can we see it when you're done?
Thanks a lot, and sorry for all the questions...
Dan Smith
Houston
On 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
OMG, I just know this trick. Thanks a million for that Alexander.
But I think, for some new users they still need that toggle :-D On Aug 13, 2012 3:09 PM, "Alexandre Prokoudine" < alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the first
time
you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button
for
select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click eye icon for the only visibly layer.
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Hi Daniel,
Yes, the latest open movie project by blender foundation known as mango project or "Tears of Steel" will about to release by the next couple of week.
You can follow their progress in their official website http://mango.blender.org or http://tearsofsteel.com.
Most of vfx movies nowadays always using such an fx. Like a fancy lensflare, color grading stuff, etc.
Yes, I run tutorial website in http://fossgrafis.com I keep my shot update via youtube http://youtube.com/user/aditpratama1
My internet connection very limited, but I'll try my best to post my progress.
No problem Daniel, it's a pleasure to get in touch with FOSS community :) On Aug 13, 2012 8:20 PM, "Daniel Smith" wrote:
Aditia,
Very interesting.
So you're saying they already use blender for movie effects? In production anywhere?
Can you give an example of movies that have used such effects? Are you keeping a blog or screen shots of your process? Can we see it when you're done?
Thanks a lot, and sorry for all the questions... Dan Smith
HoustonOn 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
OMG, I just know this trick. Thanks a million for that Alexander.
But I think, for some new users they still need that toggle :-D On Aug 13, 2012 3:09 PM, "Alexandre Prokoudine" < alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the
first
time
you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button
for
select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click eye icon for the only visibly layer.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Thanks so much, Aditia. That's awesome stuff.
The last I was involved with such things was when I ran
Lightwave on a Dec Alpha machine, way back when Star
Trek Next Generation was animated by Industrial Light
and Magic.
What general part of the world do you live in?
Just wondering.
Have a great day/night, all.
Dan
On 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
Hi Daniel,
Yes, the latest open movie project by blender foundation known as mango project or "Tears of Steel" will about to release by the next couple of week.
You can follow their progress in their official website http://mango.blender.org or http://tearsofsteel.com.
Most of vfx movies nowadays always using such an fx. Like a fancy lensflare, color grading stuff, etc.
Yes, I run tutorial website in http://fossgrafis.com I keep my shot update via youtube http://youtube.com/user/aditpratama1
My internet connection very limited, but I'll try my best to post my progress.
No problem Daniel, it's a pleasure to get in touch with FOSS community :) On Aug 13, 2012 8:20 PM, "Daniel Smith" wrote:
Aditia,
Very interesting.
So you're saying they already use blender for movie effects? In production anywhere?
Can you give an example of movies that have used such effects? Are you keeping a blog or screen shots of your process? Can we see it when you're done?
Thanks a lot, and sorry for all the questions... Dan Smith
HoustonOn 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
OMG, I just know this trick. Thanks a million for that Alexander.
But I think, for some new users they still need that toggle :-D On Aug 13, 2012 3:09 PM, "Alexandre Prokoudine" < alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the
first
time
you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button
for
select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click eye icon for the only visibly layer.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
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You're welcome Dan. Currently I live in Indonesia...and it's night time now :)
At that time I also looking for best vfx stuff which run under linux, I found out that there's ramenfx but I dunno the progress up until now.
Lightworks video editor also look promising when they announce to make it opensource but no release for linux up until now.
So, I stick with blender since then :) On Aug 13, 2012 8:56 PM, "Daniel Smith" wrote:
Thanks so much, Aditia. That's awesome stuff. The last I was involved with such things was when I ran Lightwave on a Dec Alpha machine, way back when Star Trek Next Generation was animated by Industrial Light and Magic.
What general part of the world do you live in? Just wondering.
Have a great day/night, all.
DanOn 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
Hi Daniel,
Yes, the latest open movie project by blender foundation known as mango project or "Tears of Steel" will about to release by the next couple of week.
You can follow their progress in their official website http://mango.blender.org or http://tearsofsteel.com.
Most of vfx movies nowadays always using such an fx. Like a fancy lensflare, color grading stuff, etc.
Yes, I run tutorial website in http://fossgrafis.com I keep my shot
update
via youtube http://youtube.com/user/aditpratama1
My internet connection very limited, but I'll try my best to post my progress.
No problem Daniel, it's a pleasure to get in touch with FOSS community :) On Aug 13, 2012 8:20 PM, "Daniel Smith" wrote:
Aditia,
Very interesting.
So you're saying they already use blender for movie effects? In production anywhere?
Can you give an example of movies that have used such effects? Are you keeping a blog or screen shots of your process? Can we see it when you're done?
Thanks a lot, and sorry for all the questions... Dan Smith
HoustonOn 8/13/12, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
OMG, I just know this trick. Thanks a million for that Alexander.
But I think, for some new users they still need that toggle :-D On Aug 13, 2012 3:09 PM, "Alexandre Prokoudine" < alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the
first
time
you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button
for
select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click eye icon for the only visibly layer.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
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On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
At that time I also looking for best vfx stuff which run under linux, I found out that there's ramenfx but I dunno the progress up until now.
Ramen has a slightly frightening story.
The project started as free software, but the developer failed to attract new developers and moved to a closed source strategy, while rewriting internals of the application. This didn't work all the well either.
After a while his interests changed, and he stopped working on the project.
Since recently he's working on Ramen 2 which seems to be a free software project again (at least, the code is available on Github), and he's rewriting things once again.
IMHO, this is going to be an on-and-off activity until some kind of team gets organized. Being a one-man band is not very sustainable.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor
Aditia,
Indonesia. Man, the power of the internet.
Wonderful.
Just my two cents, you probably already know, but it looks
like the Lightworks is almost ready for Ubuntu:
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEyMjE
God, I remember the days of like Mac 8500 being state of the art.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_8500
What you could do now with an i5 or i7 chip and that Lightworks.
Amazing.
Dan
On 8/13/12, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
At that time I also looking for best vfx stuff which run under linux, I found out that there's ramenfx but I dunno the progress up until now.
Ramen has a slightly frightening story.
The project started as free software, but the developer failed to attract new developers and moved to a closed source strategy, while rewriting internals of the application. This didn't work all the well either.
After a while his interests changed, and he stopped working on the project.
Since recently he's working on Ramen 2 which seems to be a free software project again (at least, the code is available on Github), and he's rewriting things once again.
IMHO, this is going to be an on-and-off activity until some kind of team gets organized. Being a one-man band is not very sustainable.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:08:56 +0400 From: alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositorOn Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the first time you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no button for select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click eye icon for the only visibly layer.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
_______________________________________________
AFAIK there is no menu command to do that, nor is it shown in the context menu when you right-click a layer. It really is something you can't do unless you already know how.
-- Stratadrake
strata_ranger@hotmail.com
--------------------
Numbers may not lie, but neither do they tell the whole truth.
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On 08/13/2012 07:34 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote:
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:08:56 +0400 From: alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybridcompositor
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the
first time
you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no
button for
select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click eye icon for the only visibly layer.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
_______________________________________________AFAIK there is no menu command to do that, nor is it shown in the context menu when you right-click a layer. It really is something you can't do unless you already know how.
... and it also works for the link icon (normally, AFAIK there is a bug in 2.8), and of couse also in the Channels and Paths lists.
Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor
Thanks ofnuts for notifying us about link icon :)
Just addendum, it'll be more efficient if we can apply filters or color balancing/correction to all layers.
I thought at first using layer group will solve the issue, but afaik it only work for tranformation, like scaling all layers and align to center option.
IMO, it would be cool somehow if layer group will handle color correction and filters as well.
Thanks and regards. On Aug 14, 2012 4:12 AM, "Ofnuts" wrote:
On 08/13/2012 07:34 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote:
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 11:08:56 +0400 From: alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com To: gimp-user-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybridcompositor
On Mon, Aug 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
2. With sequence images, you'll work with a lot of layers. So the
first time
you open them, they'll overlap each other. The pain is there's no
button for
select all layers, or toggle visibility off for all layers, etc.
Actually you can do that. You can 'solo' visibility of a layer. Press and hold Shift, the click on the eye icon of a layer. This will make that layer the only visible one. So if you really need to disable visibility of all layers, all you will have to do after that is click eye icon for the only visibly layer.
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
_______________________________________________AFAIK there is no menu command to do that, nor is it shown in the context menu when you right-click a layer. It really is something you can't do unless you already know how.
... and it also works for the link icon (normally, AFAIK there is a bug in 2.8), and of couse also in the Channels and Paths lists.
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On 08/13/2012 02:05 PM, Aditia A. Pratama wrote:
Thanks ofnuts for notifying us about link icon :)
Just addendum, it'll be more efficient if we can apply filters or color balancing/correction to all layers.
I thought at first using layer group will solve the issue, but afaik it only work for tranformation, like scaling all layers and align to center option.
IMO, it would be cool somehow if layer group will handle color correction and filters as well.
Sounds like a good plug-in idea - - -
-- Burnie
Timeline for sequenced layers - a hybrid compositor
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Burnie West wrote:
IMO, it would be cool somehow if layer group will handle color correction and filters as well.
Sounds like a good plug-in idea - - -
Only if 3rd party... In 2.10 plug-ins as we know them are either dead or struggling to survive :)
Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
