I didn't have time to read this whole thread, so pardon me if it's already beenpointed out that the idea of changing the name of GIMP has come up more thanonce in the past.My vote:  leave it alone.  The recognition it has gained over the years is invaluable.Go to google and type in photoshop.  GIMP is listed fifth.  You can't beat that.Peace,TomDec 28, 2011 05:36:16 PM, admin@pilobilus.net wrote:

On 12/28/2011 02:14 PM, Stefan Maerz wrote:

> > PIMP - The Photoshop-like Image Manipulation Program

That one gets my vote, but only if the acronym can stand for
"Primary Image Manipulation Program." After all, the title should be as accurately descriptive as possible.

IMO the idea that GIMP is somehow "chasing after" or "trying to be" an Adobe product is very dangerous, and it comes straight from Adobe's marketing department. I happen to LIKE the difference, and by like I mean, the differences have a positive impact on my productivity.

Does Gnome try to "be" the latest Microsoft or MAC desktop interface? Does VLC try to "be" Windows Media Player, or Amarok aspire to "be" iTunes? Do the users of these tools feel compelled to name a commercial package that does roughly the same things every time they mention the tool they DO use?

:o)

Steve

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+1

* sven@tryding.se [12-29-11 07:05]:

I didn't have time to read this whole thread, so pardon me if it's already beenpointed out that the idea of changing the name of GIMP has come up more thanonce in the past.My vote:  leave it alone.  The recognition it has gained over the years is invaluable.Go to google and type in photoshop.  GIMP is listed fifth.  You can't beat that.Peace,TomDec 28, 2011 05:36:16 PM, admin@pilobilus.net wrote:

On 12/28/2011 02:14 PM, Stefan Maerz wrote:

> > PIMP - The Photoshop-like Image Manipulation Program

That one gets my vote, but only if the acronym can stand for
"Primary Image Manipulation Program." After all, the title should be as accurately descriptive as possible.

IMO the idea that GIMP is somehow "chasing after" or "trying to be" an Adobe product is very dangerous, and it comes straight from Adobe's marketing department. I happen to LIKE the difference, and by like I mean, the differences have a positive impact on my productivity.

Does Gnome try to "be" the latest Microsoft or MAC desktop interface? Does VLC try to "be" Windows Media Player, or Amarok aspire to "be" iTunes? Do the users of these tools feel compelled to name a commercial package that does roughly the same things every time they mention the tool they DO use?

:o)

Steve

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+1

My +1 also,

and above is "just another reason" *not* to use html on an email list, PLEASE.

+1

My +1 also,

and above is "just another reason" *not* to use html on an email list, PLEASE.

+1 to leave it alone.

And guys, please try to think of the names in English like a person that doesn't speak English natively. I am sure many of you will realize how stupid and funny they sound. Every day I encounter new and new examples of this. I don't understand how you English speaking people perceive these names, but what the hell is "Adobe Photoshop"?! A shop for photographic stuff made of adobe?! Down the corner?! Stupid, yes? And funny.

So leave it alone. Somebody who feels his/her ego hurt by a software name should think that in some other language the same name maybe sounds totally different, should we inspect each end every language to find a neutral name? And should we let our ego be influenced by such things - no.

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+1

My +1 also,

and above is "just another reason" *not* to use html on an email list, PLEASE.

Right you are, and my apologies... I thought I "was" sending plain text. I have tweaked Thunderbird's settings and now it should send plain text even in reply to HTML formatted messages.

Thanks for pointing it out. This is a test...

:o)

Steve

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 18:30, Steve Kinney wrote:

Right you are, and my apologies...  I thought I "was" sending plain text.  I have tweaked Thunderbird's settings and now it should send plain text even in reply to HTML formatted messages.

Thanks for pointing it out.  This is a test...

Test confirms that you set it right: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

However, I recommend UTF-8 instead of us-ascii. You might want to use (or quote) a Euro symbol, some Greek letter, or some other symbol sometime.

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, tomdf@verizon.net wrote:

I didn't have time to read this whole thread, so pardon me if it's already been
pointed out that the idea of changing the name of GIMP has come up more than
once in the past.

My vote: leave it alone. The recognition it has gained over the years is invaluable.
Go to google and type in photoshop. GIMP is listed fifth. You can't beat that.

I'm new here, so by all rights I shouldn't even really have a vote. However, that notwithstanding, allow me to say: Seconded!

Frankly, and meaning no offense to any party, I do think that this discussion is a bit absurd. I mean it is as if someone proposed changing the name of the Empire State Building, or the name of Topeka, Kansas. What's the point? Everybody already knows these things by their current names, and that kind of inertia is historically almost impossible to change by fiat. In the case of Gimp, there are already at least a half a dozen books IN PRINT with that name in the title and that describe this great program, and probably hundreds of thousands of copies of said books already in circulation.

In televised news reports about "Myanmar", on either the BBC or on NBC Nightly news the announcer always says "...Myanmar formerly known as Burma..." because most people _still_ have no idea WTF "Myanmar" is. (And if you google for "Myanmar", the first non-news hit that comes up is the Wikipedia entry for Burma.)

In short, names are very "sticky" things.

Separately and also, what difference does the name make anyway? A rose by any other name...

My dear departed father, God rest his soul, imparted to me many small bits of wisdom as I was growing up, often by way of various aphorisms. One of the many he repeated to me often was:

"It isn't what you are called that matters. It is what you can do WHEN you are called that matters."

Gimp is a fine program, and it can do much when it is called upon to do so. Changing its name would neither add to nor subtract from that.

Regards, rfg

P.S. I happen to like the name Gimp. It's consistant with the (intentionally humorous) tradition of having the names of most or all GNUish (copylefted?) free software packages begin with the letter `g', and also be easily pro- nounced. In this case, it all rolls easily off the tounge. I was explaining to my neighbor just the other night that "Gimp is the GNU Image Processing package".

P.P.S. Whoever wrote that dictionary entry saying that one definition of "gimp" is somebody who likes to dress up in leather from head to toe and be treated as a sex slave obviously just saw the movie "Pulp Fiction" one too many times. I really do not think that this (postulated) definition of the word "gimp" is actually part of the common vernacular among the populace at large. (But even if it was, that would make no difference to anything, since _our_ gimp is clearly a different kind of gimp altogether.)

On Friday 30 December 2011 04:51:30 Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

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, tomdf@verizon.net wrote:

I didn't have time to read this whole thread, so pardon me if it's

already been pointed out that the idea of changing the name of GIMP has come up more than
once in the past.

My vote: leave it alone. The recognition it has gained over the years is invaluable.
Go to google and type in photoshop. GIMP is listed fifth. You can't beat that.

I'm new here, so by all rights I shouldn't even really have a vote. However, that notwithstanding, allow me to say: Seconded!

Frankly, and meaning no offense to any party, I do think that this discussion is a bit absurd. I mean it is as if someone proposed changing the name of the Empire State Building, or the name of Topeka, Kansas. What's the point? Everybody already knows these things by their current names, and that kind of inertia is historically almost impossible to change by fiat. In the case of Gimp, there are already at least a half a dozen books IN PRINT with that name in the title and that describe this great program, and probably hundreds of thousands of copies of said books already in circulation.

In televised news reports about "Myanmar", on either the BBC or on NBC Nightly news the announcer always says "...Myanmar formerly known as Burma..." because most people _still_ have no idea WTF "Myanmar" is. (And if you google for "Myanmar", the first non-news hit that comes up is the Wikipedia entry for Burma.)

In short, names are very "sticky" things.

Separately and also, what difference does the name make anyway? A rose by any other name...

My dear departed father, God rest his soul, imparted to me many small bits of wisdom as I was growing up, often by way of various aphorisms. One of the many he repeated to me often was:

"It isn't what you are called that matters. It is what you can do WHEN you are called that matters."

Gimp is a fine program, and it can do much when it is called upon to do so. Changing its name would neither add to nor subtract from that.

Regards, rfg

P.S. I happen to like the name Gimp. It's consistant with the (intentionally humorous) tradition of having the names of most or all GNUish (copylefted?) free software packages begin with the letter `g', and also be easily pro- nounced. In this case, it all rolls easily off the tounge. I was explaining to my neighbor just the other night that "Gimp is the GNU Image Processing package".

P.P.S. Whoever wrote that dictionary entry saying that one definition of "gimp" is somebody who likes to dress up in leather from head to toe and be treated as a sex slave obviously just saw the movie "Pulp Fiction" one too many times. I really do not think that this (postulated) definition of the word "gimp" is actually part of the common vernacular among the populace at large. (But even if it was, that would make no difference to anything, since _our_ gimp is clearly a different kind of gimp altogether.)

Talk about not having a vote; well, you certainly said it well enough. You got my +1. I am also new to the list and found this discussion ludicrous albeit interesting. It may be true that (brand) names are the constructs of a good first impression and reputation.

The (branad) Apple isn't really what one would expect to set a culture of its own; but what if in the beginning Steve Jobs amused himself with a Banana? Would today be so different? "Hey, my presentation to the board today was totally uber. Thanks to my Banana iPad4!" ;)

GIMP as it stands for GNU Image Manipulation Program, and possesses the Open Source strength and might is destined to eat up Photoshop's marketshare. I have been using GIMP for as many years as I used Photoshop, and since then I didn't have the urge to go back.

Whatever GIMP might mean to others is not what really matters. There are "first-rate" names that didn't live up to what was expected of them. And I'm pretty sure most of us have better things to do than ponder on a befitting name for an already well-rooted GIMP.

Peace and much respect, Archie

I didn't have time to read this whole thread, so pardon me if it's already been
pointed out that the idea of changing the name of GIMP has come up more than
once in the past.

Frankly, and meaning no offense to any party, I do think that this discussion is a bit absurd.

I am also new to the list and found this discussion ludicrous albeit interesting.

I am a bit of a lurker, but over the last few change-the-name discussions have been almost exasperated enough to make a post :). Just wondering, is it possible to prevent the discussion arising again? Hard link the archives of the various discussions that have arisen over the years?  Make a highly visible FAQ? Or is it something the list will just field ad infinitum?

On 12/29/2011 05:24 PM, Xiella Harksell wrote:

I am a bit of a lurker, but over the last few change-the-name discussions have been almost exasperated enough to make a post :). Just wondering, is it possible to prevent the discussion arising again? Hard link the archives of the various discussions that have arisen over the years? Make a highly visible FAQ? Or is it something the list will just field ad infinitum?

I don't know if I am exactly guilty of feeding the trolls, but close enough: Mea culpa, and I for one won't comment in these threads again. Or at least I will try not to.

Oops I just did. Last time though.

:o)

Steve

* Xiella Harksell [12-29-11 17:26]:

I am a bit of a lurker, but over the last few change-the-name discussions have been almost exasperated enough to make a post :). Just wondering, is it possible to prevent the discussion arising again? Hard link the archives of the various discussions that have arisen over the years?

On 12/29/2011 02:24 PM, Xiella Harksell wrote:

I didn't have time to read this whole thread, so pardon me if it's already been
pointed out that the idea of changing the name of GIMP has come up more than
once in the past.

Frankly, and meaning no offense to any party, I do think that this discussion is a bit absurd.

I am also new to the list and found this discussion ludicrous albeit interesting.

I am a bit of a lurker, but over the last few change-the-name discussions have been almost exasperated enough to make a post :). Just wondering, is it possible to prevent the discussion arising again? Hard link the archives of the various discussions that have arisen over the years? Make a highly visible FAQ? Or is it something the list will just field ad infinitum?

+1 to you, Xiella

On Fri, Dec 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Burnie West wrote:

I am a bit of a lurker, but over the last few change-the-name discussions have been almost exasperated enough to make a post :). Just wondering, is it possible to prevent the discussion arising again? Hard link the archives of the various discussions that have arisen over the years?

On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 12:51:30PM -0800, Ronald F. Guilmette wrote:

Frankly, and meaning no offense to any party, I do think that this discussion is a bit absurd. I mean it is as if someone proposed changing the name of the Empire State Building, or the name of Topeka, Kansas. What's the point? Everybody already knows these things by their current names, and that kind of inertia is historically almost impossible to change by fiat.

Full ack. Take openSUSE. Many people still call it SuSE even though the original name is S.u.S.E, then SuSE, then SUSE and now openSUSE. Renaming it would have more disadvantages then it would have advantages. The ONLY advantage would be that it won't have the same meaning as some other word. The disadvatages are plenty.

P.S. I happen to like the name Gimp. It's consistant with the (intentionally humorous) tradition of having the names of most or all GNUish (copylefted?) free software packages begin with the letter `g', and also be easily pro- nounced. In this case, it all rolls easily off the tounge. I was explaining to my neighbor just the other night that "Gimp is the GNU Image Processing package".

There is also an advantage (at least for some) for those that never heard of the program and think of it as something else: They won't forget it. It is something marketeers dream about and we have it for free (as in beer).

A nice piece of reading: http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/305250.html

houghi

On 12/29/2011 05:29 PM, peter kostov wrote:

+1

My +1 also,

and above is "just another reason" *not* to use html on an email list, PLEASE.

+1 to leave it alone.

And guys, please try to think of the names in English like a person that doesn't speak English natively. I am sure many of you will realize how stupid and funny they sound. Every day I encounter new and new examples of this. I don't understand how you English speaking people perceive these names, but what the hell is "Adobe Photoshop"?! A shop for photographic stuff made of adobe?! Down the corner?! Stupid, yes? And funny.

So leave it alone. Somebody who feels his/her ego hurt by a software name should think that in some other language the same name maybe sounds totally different, should we inspect each end every language to find a neutral name? And should we let our ego be influenced by such things - no.

+1. Non-native English speakers are the majority of Gimp users. The top country for the Gimp-win installers on Sourceforge is.... Russia (25% of downloads); in the top 30 countries, there are 20 millions downloads from countries where English isn't the main language of people, and 5 millions from English-speaking countries (US/UK/OZ). The case of India (240K downloads) can be debated since English is one of its official languages, but IRL I deal with many people from there (outsourcing) and they know very little slang.