On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

Hello! I've been using GIMP for some time now and have recently saw how much I dislike the GIMP website. So I've recently been working on a redesign. I have the home page ready here:
http://seasonoftreason.uphero.com/templates/ I know this is probably the wrong place to put this but I don't think I'll be getting too many responses on the gimp-web mailing list :/ Anyway, I debugged everything and it now works in all major browsers.

I could sugar-coat it a whole lot, but I'll be blunt: it's not an improvement. This is probably why you're not getting much feedback on the gimp-web mailing list

While I agree that the gimp.org web site isn't terribly glossy, it suits its own purpose just fine right now. And the developers are accustomed to the CMS they're currently using, which is a whole lot more important in the long run.

-- Frank Gore
www.ProjectPontiac.com

Kasim,

I applaud your desire to help and the time you have devoted to a new web site. However, I agree with Frank that it was not a giant leap forward.

May I suggest that you talk to the user community, including gimp-web, to find out (1) if they share your thoughts that the site needs help and (2) develop a list of what needs to be fixed. Then work with the gimp-web folks to incorporate the changes the community has asked for into the appropriate technology for the gimp web site.

Mark

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Frank Gore wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

Hello! I've been using GIMP for some time now and have recently saw how

much

I dislike the GIMP website. So I've recently been working on a redesign. I have the home page ready here:
http://seasonoftreason.uphero.com/templates/ I know this is probably the wrong place to put this but I don't think

I'll

be getting too many responses on the gimp-web mailing list :/ Anyway, I debugged everything and it now works

in

all major browsers.

I could sugar-coat it a whole lot, but I'll be blunt: it's not an improvement. This is probably why you're not getting much feedback on the gimp-web mailing list

While I agree that the gimp.org web site isn't terribly glossy, it suits its own purpose just fine right now. And the developers are accustomed to the CMS they're currently using, which is a whole lot more important in the long run.

-- Frank Gore
www.ProjectPontiac.com
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On Oct 28, 2011, at 9:16 PM, Frank Gore wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

Hello! I've been using GIMP for some time now and have recently saw how much I dislike the GIMP website. So I've recently been working on a redesign. I have the home page ready here:
http://seasonoftreason.uphero.com/templates/ I know this is probably the wrong place to put this but I don't think I'll be getting too many responses on the gimp-web mailing list :/ Anyway, I debugged everything and it now works in all major browsers.

I could sugar-coat it a whole lot, but I'll be blunt: it's not an improvement. This is probably why you're not getting much feedback on the gimp-web mailing list

While I agree that the gimp.org web site isn't terribly glossy, it suits its own purpose just fine right now. And the developers are accustomed to the CMS they're currently using, which is a whole lot more important in the long run.

Just one user's opinion, but I like the proposed design. While it may be "glossier", the important difference for me is that the content is easier to read.

Josh Simons

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Josh Simons wrote:

Just one user's opinion, but I like the proposed design. While it may be "glossier", the important difference for me is that the content is easier to read.

All that's needed for that is dark text on a light background.

I've got nothing against "gloss", I just don't think the proposed design is an improvement (with the exception of the dark text on light background, that's always easier on the eyes)

-- Frank Gore
www.ProjectPontiac.com

On Friday, October 28, 2011, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

Hello! I've been using GIMP for some time now and have recently saw how much I dislike the GIMP website. So I've recently been working on a redesign.

I have the home page ready here: http://seasonoftreason.uphero.com/templates/

I kind of like your design, adds a bit of movement and variety. I am totally not fond of the "gimp" text/logo at the top left though, it has no relationship to the traditional gimp font style. Is it a halloween thing?

Additionally, 2 landscape images (trees and valley) seem to be over emphasizing gimp as only a photo manipulation tool.

Anyway, listen to the community, see if you can work with them, if not, go ahead and try to build the site as your own, Can never have too many gimp sites (well maybe)

see ya
dh

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 09:35:18PM -0400, Frank Gore wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Josh Simons wrote:

Just one user's opinion, but I like the proposed design. While it may be "glossier", the important difference for me is that the content is easier to read.

All that's needed for that is dark text on a light background.

I've got nothing against "gloss", I just don't think the proposed design is an improvement (with the exception of the dark text on light background, that's always easier on the eyes)

The stripes on the background make it harder. The two images are unrelated and only take away space. The scrolling of text with e.g. News feels dated.
If something new, I would go for something realy new. e.g. news.cnet.com has in the top two banners in 1/5th of the space everything you want to get around on the site.

Once people have seen your site, a huge introduction and logo is not needed. If you need an explanation on what a site is about, you are doing it wrong. Use an 'About' button if you must.

houghi

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:58:54PM -0400, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

As for the header images, in all honesty those images were just picked at complete random. I'll try to design different ones soon but first I need to get into contact with the web masters.

First a note to my previous post. It seemed that the site did not load completely and the background on the text was not correctly loaded. The text is now better to read.

That said: if you picked images for a site about image software at random, it means to me you have not realy thought it out. At best this is a rough idea that perhaps should have been made in some imaging software as just a layout.

That is what is done most of the times: 1) An image (a mockup) of how a site or any interface could/should look like
2) Producing the code to make it look like that

I heard there is some great software out there to create images. ;-)

I will also say it again: drop the images. They do not add anything. They just remove space. Also I see download and downloads. Documentation and release notes. Get involved and Gimp Develiopment. To me all the same. That would mean that only the donation and the plug-in registry need to be on the left side.

Donation could be anywhere. Plug-in registry could be next to "Get Involved"

A direction to go might be e.g. http://houghi.org/Fun/gimp-mockup.xcf Understand that this is not yet worked out. e.g. no explanation if there should be drop downs in the menu or not. Made for one width and should clearly be seen as a draft of a direction that MIGHT be possible.

As others have already pointed out, it is best to ask the people who maintain it now what they need and want. Perhaps they do not want to change the site for the next 3 years because of whatever reason. Perhaps they already have a new design waiting to go live tomorow.

houghi

--- Sab 29/10/11, houghi ha scritto:

Once people have seen your site, a huge introduction and logo is not
needed. If you need an explanation on what a site is about, you are doing
it wrong. Use an 'About' button if you must.

Please, however, don't make it like those "insider-only" sites where you only find the latest news but you don't know what these news are about...

The first line should tell you something like: "GIMP is the best photo and image editing software, and it's open source."

After that, anything can be discussed, but I strongly disagree in burying the single most important information (what the site is about) within the "About..." or "FAQ" sections.

On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:37:35PM +0100, Stefano Rovetta wrote:

Please, however, don't make it like those "insider-only" sites where you only find the latest news but you don't know what these news are about...

The first line should tell you something like: "GIMP is the best photo and image editing software, and it's open source."

After that, anything can be discussed, but I strongly disagree in burying the single most important information (what the site is about) within the "About..." or "FAQ" sections.

If you look now at gimp.org it says on the top GiMP GNU Image Manipulation Program.

Then an image and then:

GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is a freely distributed piece of software for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. It works on many operating systems, in many languages. (more...)

This is the official GIMP web site. It contains information about downloading, installing, using, and enhancing it. This site also serves as a distribution point for the latest releases. We try to provide as much information about the GIMP community and related projects as possible. Hopefully you will find what you need here. Grab a properly chilled beverage and enjoy.

on websites. That is what mailinglists, newsgroups and rss are much better able to handle. No need to look at a site to see if something changed, but that is a whole other discussion.

I also understand that the people from GIMP do not share my feelings about this. Otherwise they would have already done it. It is their site, so they can do with it as they please. ;-)

houghi

On 10/28/2011 06:35 PM, Frank Gore wrote:

On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Josh Simons wrote:

Just one user's opinion, but I like the proposed design. While it may be "glossier", the important difference for me is that the content is easier to read.

All that's needed for that is dark text on a light background.

And a slightly larger font size would be nice. The css for the page fixes it at 10px in the body element. If you just take that out everything is more readable. It's also nicer since readers get their default, so people with impaired vision (or old eyes), can just bump up the font size.

Also the max-width, at 60 ems is the default for a few years ago. It's too wide for some phones, but even tablets now are 1280 pixels wide, so you could use the available width better. Most things are wider than they are high so it's handy to use the space.

#maincontainer { max-width: 80em; } #main { max-width: 80em; }
#title { max-width: 80em; }
#linkbar, #navbar { max-width: 80em; } div#bottommenu { max-width: 80em; }

Of course you could set max width in body and let everything else inherit it. Of course it is not a normally inheritable attribute, and only newer browsers let you say max-width: inherit, but you can always say max-width: 100% and it will be the same size as the containing block. That way you'd only have to specify it once and if you wanted to change it, or adapt with a media query, it would be simpler.

body { max-width: 80em; margin: auto;} // margin auto is to get it centered again after setting max-width #main, #title, #linkbar, #navbar, #bottommenu { max-width: 100%; }

Of course, since they're all block elements they'll take the parent block size anyway, so you could just take the max-width off of #main, #title, #linkbar, #navbar, #bottommenu completely. Wouldn't THAT be more elegant.

body { max-width: 80em; margin: auto;}

Frustratingly enough, I'm subscribed to this list and the web list with different emails so I can't CC: it there.

Patrick

I like it
Well done..............
 
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Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2011 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP Site Redesign


Looks like a template from some CMS.


Oct 29, 2011 12:57:48 PM, phorgan1@yahoo.com wrote:

On 10/28/2011 01:58 PM, Kasim Ahmic wrote: 
>Hello! I've been using GIMP for some time now and have recently saw how much I dislike the GIMP website. So I've recently been working on a redesign. 
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>>I have the home page ready here: http://seasonoftreason.uphero.com/templates/
Looks dated, and uses tables for layout.  Something a little more professional might make a better impression for GIMP.  People who care about graphics care about layout elegance as well.
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On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 8:23 PM, MM wrote:

I like it
Well done..............

Says the individual with red and green HTML text in their email ;)

/ducks

Chris

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 1:08 AM, tomdf wrote:

No offense, but did you ask the GIMP web team?

As someone who contributes to the website I can assure you that the team is mostly inactive. There already was a discussion on the need for the new design, and his mail was sent to gimp-web mailing list (which is why Im curious why you replied to gimp-user@ :))

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 6:48 AM, tomdf wrote:

I replied to the address from which it was sent, the gimp-user list. I don't subscribe to the gimp-web list. But I'm glad you replied and let us know that the team is mostly inactive. Given their inactivity, I'm curious when the discussion for a new design took place
and if any decision was made one way or another.

An inactive team cannot make decisions :)

We will probably do a design contest some time during 2.10 dev cycle.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 6:48 AM, tomdf wrote:

I replied to the address from which it was sent, the gimp-user list. I don't subscribe to the gimp-web list. But I'm glad you replied and let us know that the team is mostly inactive. Given their inactivity, I'm curious when the discussion for a new design took place
and if any decision was made one way or another.

An inactive team cannot make decisions :)

We will probably do a design contest some time during 2.10 dev cycle.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org