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Can I Subtract a color overall?

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Can I Subtract a color overall? John Mills 31 Jan 03:20
  Can I Subtract a color overall? David Gowers 31 Jan 04:30
   Can I Subtract a color overall? John Mills 31 Jan 15:35
    Can I Subtract a color overall? David Gowers 31 Jan 23:33
John Mills
2010-01-31 03:20:31 UTC (almost 15 years ago)

Can I Subtract a color overall?

All -

I don't know if this makes conceptual sense, but ...

I am printing a scanned image onto a slightly toned surface (heavy watercolor paper), and I would like to precompensate somewhat for the effect of printing onto this warm toned medium. How can I correct the image before printing to approach the same colors as a print on white paper, at least in the darker areas?

Thanks for any comments.

- John Mills

David Gowers
2010-01-31 04:30:54 UTC (almost 15 years ago)

Can I Subtract a color overall?

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:50 PM, John Mills wrote:

All -

I don't know if this makes conceptual sense, but ...

I am printing a scanned image onto a slightly toned surface (heavy watercolor paper), and I would like to precompensate somewhat for the effect of printing onto this warm toned medium. How can I correct the image before printing to approach the same colors as a print on white paper, at least in the darker areas?

I suggest trying this:

1. Create an image full of the color of the paper. 2. Look at the RGB values of the color you chose (my test color was 244, 242, 219)
3. Open up the 'Levels' tool. select Red channel, type the appropriate value (eg 244) in the rightmost field under the 'input levels' histogram+gradient. select green, type appropriate value (eg 242), select blue, type appropriate value (219), OK. 4. The canvas should now be completely white #FFFFFF / 255, 255, 255, and you should have an appropriate Levels preset stored to apply to your pictures; you may want to save the preset permanently with the '+' button next to the preset selector (after first selecting it)

Note: This method will clip out detail of colors that are as bright or brighter than the real paper color. This is basically unavoidable according to your description of the problem.

HTH, David

John Mills
2010-01-31 15:35:25 UTC (almost 15 years ago)

Can I Subtract a color overall?

Thanks to Stefan, Dan, and David for your replies. I'll look into all three approaches, but this looks most directly like what I had in mind.

My limited intuition seemed to suggest that since RGB is an additive color space, there might be a direct way to subtract a cast out of it.

Regards. - John Mills

On Sun, 31 Jan 2010, David Gowers wrote:

On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 12:50 PM, John Mills wrote:

...

I am printing a scanned image onto a slightly toned surface (heavy watercolor paper), and I would like to precompensate somewhat for the effect of printing onto this warm toned medium. How can I correct the image before printing to approach the same colors as a print on white paper, at least in the darker areas?

...

I suggest trying this:

1. Create an image full of the color of the paper. 2. Look at the RGB values of the color you chose (my test color was 244, 242, 219)
3. Open up the 'Levels' tool. select Red channel, type the appropriate value (eg 244) in the rightmost field under the 'input levels' histogram+gradient. select green, type appropriate value (eg 242), select blue, type appropriate value (219), OK. 4. The canvas should now be completely white #FFFFFF / 255, 255, 255, and you should have an appropriate Levels preset stored to apply to your pictures; you may want to save the preset permanently with the '+' button next to the preset selector (after first selecting it)

Note:
This method will clip out detail of colors that are as bright or brighter than the real paper color. This is basically unavoidable according to your description of the problem.

HTH,
David

David Gowers
2010-01-31 23:33:52 UTC (almost 15 years ago)

Can I Subtract a color overall?

On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:05 AM, John Mills wrote:

Thanks to Stefan, Dan, and David for your replies. I'll look into all three approaches, but this looks most directly like what I had in mind.

My limited intuition seemed to suggest that since RGB is an additive color space, there might be a direct way to subtract a cast out of it.

If what I provided is not satisfactory, you might want to try the inverse transformation (in which the values go in the 'output maximum' field instead of the 'input maximum' field.).I do think that the inverse transformation is better for previewing how a given picture will look on the colored paper than actually preparing it for print.