On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:17:26 +0100, "Radoslav Schudich" wrote:

the available drawing modes should have these options too (there are plenty (21) drawing modes, but I definitly miss these:

ERASE (to be able to erase the drawing (not just one color) with any drawing
NEGATIVE

-it makes the drawing/editing easier, because when you want to erase something, you do not need to change your tool 2 eraser, but can choose to erase the painting with the brush you currently have.

Could you explain why it would be easier to do this with additional drawing modes instead of using the existing shortcuts to switch to the eraser and then switch back to your previous drawing tool?

If you use the existing shortcuts for the tools or if you define new ones, then you only need to press the key for the eraser, erase what you want, and then press the key for the other paint tool to continue drawing. You can do that without having to move the mouse to the tool options and change the paint mode, which is more cumbersome in my opinion.

Also, for those who use a drawing tablet, it is much easier to switch tools than to play with drawing modes.

-Raphaël

Hi,

I admit that if Erase were a paint mode, I would use it much more. The eraser tool, I generally find does not happen to have brush settings convenient to my current task, and so i find it cumbersome. So, I think that erase as a paint mode is a good idea. I do not understand this 'Negative' paint mode, Radoslav, and I think you need to explain it.

Now that we are speaking of paint modes, I know that I would personally find very useful one that recolors FG colored pixels to BG color.

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Radoslav Schudich wrote:

Hi, I know, it sounds like a waste, but trust me, it isnt. I firstly didnt even
know what are those drawing modes for, but soon it fastened my work. I suppose they should have a shortcut key too.

For example: You draw or edit an image with a simple brush, when you want to
erase some stuff, you switch to the eraser, but this one has different brush size,
shape, opacity than the first tool. Using different modes like erase and plenty more
are efficent. (I admit, some of them I never used - solarise, and other modes,
I do not use to use).

Maybe I am explaining it wrong, but You can try it for your own.

The program I used to work with is named TV Paint Animation, for someone it can be an unknown program, but believe me, it is very strong and when comparing prices you can see:

PaintShopPro 105 € Photoshop 264-441 €
TV Paint Anim. Pro/Std. 950 € / 475 € GIMP free OpenSource :)

that TVPA is not just a shit-program, but has features that really make work with
images draw/edit more efficient.

let me know what do U think

ssuuddoo

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:49:48 +0100, Raphaël Quinet wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:17:26 +0100, "Radoslav Schudich" > wrote:
>> the available drawing modes should have these options too >> (there are plenty (21) drawing modes, but I definitly miss these: >>
>> ERASE (to be able to erase the drawing (not just one color) with any >> drawing
>> NEGATIVE
>>
>> -it makes the drawing/editing easier, because when you want to erase >> something, you do not need to change your tool 2 eraser, but can choose >> to
>> erase the painting with the brush you currently have. >
> Could you explain why it would be easier to do this with additional > drawing modes instead of using the existing shortcuts to switch to the > eraser and then switch back to your previous drawing tool? >
> If you use the existing shortcuts for the tools or if you define new > ones, then you only need to press the key for the eraser, erase what > you want, and then press the key for the other paint tool to continue > drawing. You can do that without having to move the mouse to the tool > options and change the paint mode, which is more cumbersome in my > opinion.
>
> Also, for those who use a drawing tablet, it is much easier to switch > tools than to play with drawing modes. >
> -Raphaël
>

Hi,

On Fri, 2008-02-22 at 12:05 +0100, Radoslav Schudich wrote:

For example: You draw or edit an image with a simple brush, when you want to
erase some stuff, you switch to the eraser, but this one has different brush size, shape, opacity than the first tool.

If this is a frequent problem, then we should probably do something about that. I don't think however that adding more drawing modes and adding shortcuts to them is a good solution.

Your request outlines some problems in the paint workflow when using GIMP. But I don't think that your proposed solution fits well into the user interface and internal design of GIMP.

You can already configure GIMP to use the same brush for all paint tools. We could probably extend this and also share other paint tool options.

We also already have shortcuts for the paint tools (and we don't have enough shortcuts left to extend this to include drawing modes). What would be useful is a shortcut to switch to the last-used tool. There's already a bug report for that and it would be almost trivial to add this feature:

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=373060

Sven

forwarding mistakenly privately sent message.

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: David Gowers
Date: Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 9:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] improved drawing modes To: Radoslav Schudich

I cannot try TVPaint; It is not for Linux. I know it can be run under WINE, that is something too involved for me to do currently.

I think what you mean by 'NEGATIVE', though, is the idea of pairing paint modes together, and then being able to switch between them by pressing the same key.

Like, if you wanted to select 'Replace' and the current paint mode was 'Behind' you would press F2 once.
If the current paint mode was neither 'Replace' nor 'Behind', then pressing F2 would select behind.

I am uncertain about the value of that idea*. However I think the other possibility, that you just have another item on the menu, named 'Opposite' or 'Negative', that is always adjacent to the current mode, so you can quickly select the opposite paint mode, is a good (and more predictable) idea.

* that idea would be fine, if the statusbar would notify users when things such as drawing mode were changed. With GIMP as it currently is, the scheme described would give no feedback to the user about the change of paint mode.

On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 9:25 PM, Radoslav Schudich

wrote: > agree. I think, there is some mode that erases but just one color, so on > more cases
> I cannot use it properly.
> The negative think is more a decorative part. >
> for example the comparation of the drawing modes: > TV Paint: (the " * " have those, I have used mostly) > F1 color *
> F1 stamp *
> F2 replace *
> F2 behind *
> F3 erase *
> F3 pantograph *
> F4 merge
> F4 impress
> F5 shade *
> F5 light *
> F6 colorize *
> F6 tint *
> F7 grain
> F8 smooth
> F8 blur *
> F9 smear
> F9shift
> (there are plenty more in the new version, but now I do not remember them) >
> GIMP ( I have GIMP in slovak, so I just translate them to EN) > Normal
> Dissolve
> Behind
> Erase color
> -----------
> Multiply
> Devide
> Picture
> Overlap
> ___________
> Lighten
> Darken
> Sharp light
> Soft light
> Grain Extraction
> Grain Merge
> ____________
> Difference
> Sum
> ...??
> Only darken
> Only lighten
> Tint
> Brightness
>
>
> from this information we can clearly see, that gimp uses a lot of drawing > modes,
> but in my activities I mostly do not use them. Partly its my fault because > I do not know them all, but the drawing modes in the other program > were easier to use for me. If not others. >
> I recommend trying the TV Paint program for better view on this issue. > it is free for try. :D
>
> ssuuddoo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 12:54:06 +0100, David Gowers wrote: >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I admit that if Erase were a paint mode, I would use it much more. The > > eraser tool, I generally find does not happen to have brush settings > > convenient to my current task, and so i find it cumbersome. So, I > > think that erase as a paint mode is a good idea. > > I do not understand this 'Negative' paint mode, Radoslav, and I think > > you need to explain it.
> >
> > Now that we are speaking of paint modes, I know that I would > > personally find very useful one that recolors FG colored pixels to BG > > color.
> >
> > On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Radoslav Schudich > > wrote:
> >> Hi, I know, it sounds like a waste, but trust me, it isnt. I firstly > >> didnt
> >> even
> >> know what are those drawing modes for, but soon it fastened my work. > >> I suppose they should have a shortcut key too. > >>
> >> For example: You draw or edit an image with a simple brush, when you > >> want
> >> to
> >> erase some stuff, you switch to the eraser, but this one has different > >> brush size,
> >> shape, opacity than the first tool. Using different modes like erase > >> and
> >> plenty more
> >> are efficent. (I admit, some of them I never used - solarise, and other > >> modes,
> >> I do not use to use).
> >>
> >> Maybe I am explaining it wrong, but You can try it for your own. > >>
> >> The program I used to work with is named TV Paint Animation, > >> for someone it can be an unknown program, but believe me, > >> it is very strong and when comparing prices you can see: > >>
> >> PaintShopPro 105 € > >> Photoshop 264-441 € > >> TV Paint Anim. Pro/Std. 950 € / 475 € > >> GIMP free OpenSource :) > >>
> >> that TVPA is not just a shit-program, but has features that really make > >> work with
> >> images draw/edit more efficient. > >>
> >> let me know what do U think
> >>
> >> ssuuddoo
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:49:48 +0100, Raphaël Quinet > >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 10:17:26 +0100, "Radoslav Schudich" > >> > wrote:
> >> >> the available drawing modes should have these options too > >> >> (there are plenty (21) drawing modes, but I definitly miss these: > >> >>
> >> >> ERASE (to be able to erase the drawing (not just one color) with > >> any
> >> >> drawing
> >> >> NEGATIVE
> >> >>
> >> >> -it makes the drawing/editing easier, because when you want to erase > >> >> something, you do not need to change your tool 2 eraser, but can > >> choose
> >> >> to
> >> >> erase the painting with the brush you currently have. > >> >
> >> > Could you explain why it would be easier to do this with additional > >> > drawing modes instead of using the existing shortcuts to switch to > >> the
> >> > eraser and then switch back to your previous drawing tool? > >> >
> >> > If you use the existing shortcuts for the tools or if you define new > >> > ones, then you only need to press the key for the eraser, erase what > >> > you want, and then press the key for the other paint tool to continue > >> > drawing. You can do that without having to move the mouse to the > >> tool
> >> > options and change the paint mode, which is more cumbersome in my > >> > opinion.
> >> >
> >> > Also, for those who use a drawing tablet, it is much easier to switch > >> > tools than to play with drawing modes. > >> >
> >> > -Raphaël
> >> >

Forwarding further explanation from Radoslav.

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Radoslav Schudich
Date: Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] improved drawing modes To: David Gowers

the paint mode is displayed in the toolbox dialog. When user switches the paint mode, he mostly does not be informed of this event. Yes, the shortcuts were the same for some modes using f.e. F2-behind, pressing F2 again switched to replace and so on. The mode "negative" switched the colors using the current brush, it is simple and gives the invert function a more flexible usage.

pitty, U cannot try the TV Paint on Tux. Et least, could there be an effort to make at least one more drawing mode - the erasing mode?
thnx

ssuuddoo
Greetings from Slovakia
:D

thank you again for help and the effort