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request for discussion: removing button relief

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request for discussion: removing button relief Bill Skaggs 10 Feb 20:55
  request for discussion: removing button relief gg@catking.net 10 Feb 22:01
   request for discussion: removing button relief Bill Skaggs 10 Feb 22:19
  request for discussion: removing button relief peter sikking 10 Feb 22:18
   request for discussion: removing button relief Bill Skaggs 11 Feb 00:52
    request for discussion: removing button relief peter sikking 11 Feb 01:16
     request for discussion: removing button relief Bill Skaggs 11 Feb 02:46
Bill Skaggs
2008-02-10 20:55:13 UTC (almost 17 years ago)

request for discussion: removing button relief

I have been experimenting with ways of simplifying the user interface, and one very simple change that I think gives a rather dramatic improvement in appearance is to remove the "relief" from the buttons that appear at the bottom of numerous dialogs. This is a request for discussion. I have filed an enhancement request in Bugzilla showing a screenshot of what the result looks like, and a patch, see

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515621

What do people think?

-- Bill

gg@catking.net
2008-02-10 22:01:26 UTC (almost 17 years ago)

request for discussion: removing button relief

On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:55:13 +0100, Bill Skaggs wrote:

I have been experimenting with ways of simplifying the user interface, and
one very simple change that I think gives a rather dramatic improvement in appearance is to remove the "relief" from the buttons that appear at the bottom of numerous dialogs. This is a request for discussion. I have
filed an enhancement request in Bugzilla showing a screenshot of what the result looks like, and a patch, see

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515621

What do people think?

-- Bill

hi,

It's more like they are icons than buttons but it's pretty clear they're there to be clicked so I dont think it detracts from usability.

Yes , I like the clean, uncluttered appearance.

/gg

peter sikking
2008-02-10 22:18:09 UTC (almost 17 years ago)

request for discussion: removing button relief

Bill wrote:

I have been experimenting with ways of simplifying the user interface, and
one very simple change that I think gives a rather dramatic improvement
in appearance is to remove the "relief" from the buttons that appear at
the bottom of numerous dialogs. This is a request for discussion. I have
filed an enhancement request in Bugzilla showing a screenshot of what the result looks like, and a patch, see

http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=515621

What do people think?

I see that you and Mitch moved forward regardless.

There are some deeper problems with those buttons (why are they there, allt the time, so prominently?), the ones in the layer dialog excepted.

I would love to get this un-relief'ed look for most controls that are displayed permanently, would be a relief (no pun...) for everyone.

Mitch and I tried to find a way last year. Alas, no cigar...

--ps

founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works

http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture

Bill Skaggs
2008-02-10 22:19:07 UTC (almost 17 years ago)

request for discussion: removing button relief

To follow up for people who don't necessarily look at Bugzilla, this change has been committed to trunk at Mitch's request, and Mitch converted it into a style property, defaulting to "no relief" as shown in the screenshot, so that, should there happen to be anybody who wants the button relief, they can get it by adding a line to the gtkrc file.

-- Bill

Bill Skaggs
2008-02-11 00:52:06 UTC (almost 17 years ago)

request for discussion: removing button relief

On Feb 10, 2008 1:18 PM, peter sikking wrote:

There are some deeper problems with those buttons (why are they there, allt the time, so prominently?), the ones in the layer dialog excepted.

I agree with this. I too think it would be best to have buttons only for the layers/channels/paths dialogs, since the others are not used as much and their functions can be accessed by the right-click menu. (Not for the Tool Options right now, but that could easily be done.)

I would love to get this un-relief'ed look for most controls that are displayed permanently, would be a relief (no pun...) for everyone.

Mitch and I tried to find a way last year. Alas, no cigar...

I would be interested to know more about why it could not be done. In my view, every unnecessary edge we can get rid of is a gain.

-- Bill

peter sikking
2008-02-11 01:16:38 UTC (almost 17 years ago)

request for discussion: removing button relief

Bill wrote:

peter sikking wrote:

There are some deeper problems with those buttons (why are they there,
allt the time, so prominently?), the ones in the layer dialog excepted.

I agree with this. I too think it would be best to have buttons only for the layers/channels/paths dialogs, since the others are not used as
much and their functions can be accessed by the right-click menu. (Not
for the Tool Options right now, but that could easily be done.)

right-click is a shortcut for a primary way to do things. So in this case I see good chances for the not-so-often-used options to go in their own little menu that gets accessed from a small-no-relief-low-contrast-icon button in the corner of the dialog.

I would love to get this un-relief'ed look for most controls that are displayed permanently, would be a relief (no pun...) for everyone.

Mitch and I tried to find a way last year. Alas, no cigar...

I would be interested to know more about why it could not be done. In my view, every unnecessary edge we can get rid of is a gain.

find a legal way and you are my hero. Mitch and I could find no way how gtk supports showing the relief only on mouse-over, for things like pop-up menus.

--ps

founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works

http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture

Bill Skaggs
2008-02-11 02:46:25 UTC (almost 17 years ago)

request for discussion: removing button relief

On Feb 10, 2008 4:16 PM, peter sikking wrote:

right-click is a shortcut for a primary way to do things. So in this case I see good chances for the not-so-often-used options to go in their own little menu that gets accessed from a small-no-relief-low-contrast-icon button in the corner of the dialog.

They are already accessible that way, using the little button in the upper right corner -- but two levels down in the menu, which is not so good. Anwyay I don't like that little arrow icon, which is hard for me to see and hard for me to hit using the mouse.

find a legal way and you are my hero. Mitch and I could find no way how gtk supports showing the relief only on mouse-over, for things like pop-up menus.

It will be amazing if you ever see me claiming to be able to solve a programming problem that has defeated Mitch, but this particular problem might be easier than it was a year ago, because Gtk+ 2.12 has added a "shadow-type" style property to the GtkComboBox widget, which is the basis of most of the menus you are talking about, if I understand you correctly.

-- Bill