Tomasz Witko wrote:

What I am trying to do is discuss adding more functionality to Gimp in that discuss what can actually be added to gimp to give it an advantage over Photo Shop.

Hi Tomasz

I don't get the point of your thread, are you waiting for other people to start discussing this so that you just can sit back and watch?

I doubt this discussion will get going unless you concretely add something to it instead of just wait for other to come up with ideas.

Cheers. - Martin Nordholts

Tomasz Witko wrote:

Hi k I would really like to get involved with this and I am also a active member of the Ubuntu Forum and Multiple Ubuntu and Linux development projects.
The problem I am having is that other than using Gimp for image manipulation, image creation, and doing lots of Gimp animations.gif 's. K the problem here Is other than using Gimp I have no idea about Gimps,s base. If someone can recommend some reading material to the inner working of Gimps I might be able to get up to speed. Other than that I have no idea on what to discuss pertaining to Gimp additions.

From your previous mails I am prejudicially going to assume that you are not a coder, so what do you mean with "inner workings of GIMP"?

If you *are* a coder, I apologize, and would love to help you out. The best way to get going is to check out the GIMP source code

svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/gimp/trunk gimp

and start fixing some bugs from bugs.gimp.org.

- Martin Nordholts

Gimp is a bitmap image manipulation program, so adding vector graphics for other task than supporting image manipulation procedures (i.e. selecting) is quite out of place.
IIrc some primitive shapes are already provided by plugins using xfig, and you can easily create some vector shapes using the path tool (wich is excellent in Gimp, btw) in combination with the tools for converting paths into strokes or selections.
If it isn't enough for you, you can import SVG files (which is an standard format supported by most of the modern vector graphics applications) as paths.
If it's still not enough for you, it's clear that you're looking for a vector illustration/design program.
As you've been told, Inkscape is a great program. If you think is that far behind Corel Draw or Illustrator I guess you haven't used it enough. Using Inkscape in combination with Gimp is like using Photoshop+Illustrator, or Corel Draw+Corel Photopaint. Even those mainstream programs didn't go that way (mixing vectors and raster in the same program) and when they tried to do it, they became ugly bloatware. Corel Draw is one.
I wouldn't see Gimp become a 200 MB package with lots of unuseful features that obstaculize its main goal, which is the manipulation of bitmap images.

There's a lot of features and enhancements that Gimp needs, but this, imho, is not one of them.

Anyway, feel free to follow this discussion off-list with if you want to. I have intentions of opening an unofficial space for functionality discussion (maybe a wiki), to avoid disturbing developers in this list. Regards,
Gez.

Hmm, the idea of filling Gimp with features just to make it "better" than Photoshop does not fill me with confidence. It sounds like a formula for creating bloatware.

The Gimp's future is being discussed all the time on this list. I agree with Martin that maybe you should try to add to the discussion that is already taking place rather than restart it from scratch.

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Guillermo Espertino wrote:

Anyway, feel free to follow this discussion off-list with if you want to. I have intentions of opening an unofficial space for functionality discussion (maybe a wiki), to avoid disturbing developers in this list.

Yet another Wiki?

Regards,
Michael

Michael wrote:

Yet another Wiki?

Yes, and I'll call it YAW :-p

Maybe a wiki isn't the best choice. Maybe a forum with one feature/functionality proposal per thread. I don't want to create a place where people can rant about what features has Photoshop and Gimp doesn't, but a place to propose enhancements activelly.
Put the previous thread about the redesign of Hue/Saturation tool as an example. If somebody has an idea for an enhancement, they could start a thread with the usage scenario, details of the functionality needed and mockups, and other people interested could help to fine-tune the proposal. Even a voting system could help to track the popularity of the proposal.
Then, with a complete description of the feature, we can come back to this list or forward the results to the gui.gimp.og people for an expert final evaluation.
This could help to keep this list clean, and developers would be asked for enhancements just when the information is organized and pre-selected. This forum (or whatever it will be) would be moderated to keep only clear proposals and avoid pointless discussions (or at least take them to an open chat forum).

What do you ppl think about it?

Michael Natterer wrote on Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:31:00 -0700

On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 13:28 +0300, Alexander Rabtchevich wrote:

Sorry for posting here, but RC1 is really unusable - it can crash on every image. As it was said, the bug had been fixed in SVN. Are there plans to release RC2 or repack RC1 with the bug fixed? RC should be tested, but it's impossible with RC1.

Indeed :-)

We will not repack anything, but there will be RC2 this week.

There has been a bug which crept into GIMP-GAP 2.2.2 (my fault) and there should probably be new GAP release before/when GIMP 2.4 is released (reference Bugzilla #468631: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=468631). I am not sure how this should be handled but did not wish it to go unnoticed.