Hi Robin,

Selon Robin Rowe :

GIMP on Mac OS X without X11:

http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net/docs/gimp.html

Congratulations!

Anyone know if there is there a gdk aqua back-end in gtk+ 2.2.x? If not, is one planned?

Cheers,
Dave.

On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 04:52:41PM -0800, Robin Rowe wrote:

GIMP on Mac OS X without X11:

http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net/docs/gimp.html

Yeah! Good job. Now, it would be great if you managed to do the same for gimp-1.3.x. If all the necessary libs were ported too, we could even consider to include this in the main tree, WDYT?

DindinX

Hi,

David Odin wrote:

Yeah! Good job. Now, it would be great if you managed to do the same for gimp-1.3.x. If all the necessary libs were ported too, we could even consider to include this in the main tree, WDYT?

I think this is a great idea - you'd need to talk to Owen more than likely, since he is the gtk+ guy for the most part, and most of the code changes would be in gdk. In fact, all going well, an Aqua port of gdk would require no code to change in the GIMP to run perfectly.

Cheers,
Dave.

Hi,

David Odin writes:

On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 04:52:41PM -0800, Robin Rowe wrote:

GIMP on Mac OS X without X11:

http://gtk-osx.sourceforge.net/docs/gimp.html

Yeah! Good job. Now, it would be great if you managed to do the same for gimp-1.3.x. If all the necessary libs were ported too, we could even consider to include this in the main tree, WDYT?

GIMP wouldn't need to be touched if there was a Quartz port of GTK+-2.0. Unfortunately the people behind gtk-osx so far didn't show any interest in doing a port to GTK+-2.0. This is a little irritating considered that porting GDK-2.x would haven been much easier, let along more useful. Perhaps some of the effort put into this project can be reused to do a GTK+-2.0 port. Judging from my experience with the DirectFB port, doing such a port shouldn't be too hard for someone who has experience with GDK and Quartz. As far as I know the Quartz API is Objective-C, so some expertise with combining Objective-C and C would certainly be helpful.

Sven

BTW: Using the term Aqua with this port is incorrect since it is a port to the Mac OS X graphics system called Quartz. As far as I understand the terminology, Aqua is the name of desktop build on top of it.

Hi,

"Robin Rowe" writes:

Everyone is aware from reading our HOWTO that GIMP 1.2 has already been built natively for the Mac with almost no changes to GIMP. What few changes were made were bug-fixes to your code. To suggest basing GTK+OSX on the Quartz API could somehow eliminate errors in your code would be total nonsense!

Sorry, but I didn't say that. I was replying to David since I got the impression that he believed that major changes to the GIMP code were necessary to build this. Not all readers of the list will read the URL you posted here and might have gotten a wrong impression.

As documented in our HOWTO, GIMP code is using quote marks instead of angle brackets when including some GTK library header files. That should not work. I'm guessing that your build system is lax enough on other operating systems to let you get away with this obvious mistake.

The usual way to report such a problem is to file a bug-report. Posting an URL and have people figure out it from point (15) isn't that helpful. I had a quick look at the 1.3 tree and indeed there are three plug-ins doing this mistake. I am about to fix this right now.

Unfortunately the people behind gtk-osx so far didn't show any interest in doing a port to GTK+-2.0. This is a little irritating considered that porting GDK-2.x would haven been much easier, let along more useful.

As I'm the official project leader for GTK+OSX and posted here representing "the people behind gtk-osx", I expect everyone knows exactly who it is you are criticisizing. It's pretty weird that you talk about me like I'm not here.

No idea why you feel offended here. Since I don't know exactly who's involved, I thought "the people behind gtk-osx" was a good description. If it's just you being "the man behind gtk-osx", let me stand corrected, This doesn't change my opinion on the port. I'd still would welcome if someone ported GTK2 to Mac OS X. I got the impression that the people / the man behind gtk-osc are/is probably not very interested in doing such a port basically because it doesn't fit on the roadmap, For this reason, I will continue to encourage people to give it a try.

At the moment GTK+ is moving towards a new drawing engine which seems to resemble the Quartz way of drawing a lot better than the current drawing functions that basically wrap the XLib way of doing things. This should be considered when attempting a GTK2 port. It might make sense to base the port on the new drawing engine.

Sven

PS: This email states the authors personal opinion. Nothing else, nothing more. Don't let this get into another flamewar.

On Thu, Dec 25, 2003 at 02:12:22PM -0800, Robin Rowe wrote:

As documented in our HOWTO, GIMP code is using quote marks instead of angle brackets when including some GTK library header files. That should not work.

If that is true, the gimp developers would be rather happy for reports or patches about that, I am sure. Especially as writing a HOWTO entry is probably _more_ work than just going in and fixing the relevant parts.

As I'm the official project leader for GTK+OSX and posted here representing

Woaw, impressive!

surprise us just once by reacting positively when somebody from our team does something that benefits your project?

Frankly, writing howto entries on how broken the gimp codebase is is not benefitting gimp very much. Or did I miss something very obvious? Apologies if that is the case.