On Thu, 28 Nov 2002 01:24:24 -0500, David Weeks wrote:

I live in Florida. Tampa specifically, which is a great city, even if I do live here. And know what is perpetually annoying? Yankees coming down talking about how they do it up North.

I live in Belgium. Liège specifically, which is a great city as well. I am French-speaking but I work in Germany (in English) for a Swedish company. And you know what is perpetually annoying? Guys who think they know everything but apparently ignore what tolerance and openness mean. Guys who are not open to other points of view. Guys who have very important rants to write and cannot afford to spend five minutes or their precious time trying to understand others. Guys who flame others for no reason.

For those of recent (that being within the last couple of years) arrival to the world of GNU/Linux/Open Source, live here a while before you go telling us how you did it back home.

I arrived to the wonderful world of Linux a couple of months after Linux was announced in comp.os.minix. Before that, I had already a couple of years of experience with Free Software (gcc, emacs, ...) on various *nix platforms (Ultrix, SunOS, HP-UX, ...). The best thing about Free Software (and more recently, Open Source) is that it was (and still is) a welcoming community. I remember the cooperative attitude of those who accepted (or rejected) my first patches or my first questions to some GNU programs or to the X11 system. In some cases, they told me that I was wrong, but usually by telling me why and suggesting alternatives. Of course, there are always some holier-than-thou individuals on some mailing lists and newsgroups who will give a bad image to the whole community, but it does not take long to identify them and ignore them.

Welcome to GNU/Linux/Open Source computing.

Yours seems to be a very small and restrictive world. Fortunately, this is not the world that I am living in. I am glad to work on Free and Open Source software. I am glad that it works for Windows, MacOS X, Solaris, IRIX, *BSD and other systems such as Linux. I am glad that the software is there to serve the needs of many users regardless of their culture, opinions, level of experience or choice of operating system(s). I am glad that some developers who have worked hard and enhanced some *nix program are also trying to port it to Windows or MacOS X so that more users can benefit from it.

The reason why (and I remember being a newbee, thinking guys like who I am now are just arrogant assholes, stuck in the past) we do things in *nix the way we do is because it works. I has worked for a long time, and being that it works, why make changes for constantly changing dialect, or drop well founded methods cause newbees find them too hard?

Sometimes I am a *nix bigot or a Free Software bigot. I enjoy showing others how some of their problems can be solved easily by using an appropriate Free Software tool or a *nix operating system. But I also accept the fact that there are other solutions out there, and I try to understand what is good or bad about them instead of rejecting them immediately. If someone proposes to change something and add or drop some feature, then I try to understand their reasons instead of telling them immediately that they are wrong. I also try to understand who they are before calling them "newbies".

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My apologies to those who are right now saying: "Duh?" But from what I've been reading on this list, a teacher's corrections are in order.

Any self-respecting teacher will make sure that he knows what he is talking about before starting his lesson.

Note: I sent this message to the list. If you want to comment on it, feel free to do so publicly or via private e-mail. However, any further replies from me on the same topic will be sent by private e-mail only because I do not think that a long discussion about this is appropriate for this list.

Best regards, -Raphaël

Raphaël Quinet wrote:

you know what is perpetually annoying? Guys who think they know everything but apparently ignore what tolerance and openness mean. Guys who are not open to other points of view. Guys who have very important rants to write and cannot afford to spend five minutes or their precious time trying to understand others. Guys who flame others for no reason.

At some stage, you really have to stop feeding the troll. He will go away at some stage. Or, he might start fixing bugs... the list of openm bugs for 1.2.4 is available at http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?product=GIMP&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&bug_status=REOPENED&target_milestone=1.2.4

There are 27 in all, with 1 blocker and at least 2 or 3 documentation bugs that would be easily fixable.

Cheers, Dave.

[Mmm, tasty troll fodder]

On 11/28/02 01:24, David Weeks wrote:

I live in Florida. Tampa specifically, which is a great city, even if I do live here. And know what is perpetually annoying? Yankees coming down talking about how they do it up North.

I live in Florida, about opposite Tampa, not so specifically, I was born and raised in Maine, which I presume makes me a 'Yank'. You know what? I'm adding this rant to my growing corpus of evidence that prolonged exposure to intense sunlight drives people insane.

Chris