On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Tom Curtis wrote:

To whom it may concern:

Please create a kickstarter to fund a "pro" payable version of Gimp to compete with Adobe's overpriced software. The publicity alone would be worth the while.

This is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin explaining... :)

Alexandre

25.02.2014 12:17, Alexandre Prokoudine пишет:

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:23 AM, Tom Curtis wrote:

To whom it may concern:

Please create a kickstarter to fund a "pro" payable version of Gimp to compete with Adobe's overpriced software. The publicity alone would be worth the while.

This is wrong on so many levels that I don't even know where to begin explaining... :)

I think it is better to use bountysource and like this to finance Gimp development.

However, my attempt had not so much result: https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1335023-wishing-for-history-brushhttps://www.bountysource.com/issues/1335023-wishing-for-history-brush

Maybe this money amount is not enough :)

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Alexander Varnin wrote:

I think it is better to use bountysource and like this to finance Gimp development.

I think you need to start from definition of "financing GIMP development" here :)

Personally, I'd like to see people working full-time on GIMP. However that suggests a complete reorganization of the way GIMP is being currently developed. It still might happen, but probably not any time soon.

Realistically what is possible to do right now (as proved by the GEGL samplers project) is for contributors to do personal fundraisers. We could even coordinate those efforts (we need to review the code before merging anyway).

A particular choice of platform for getting the money makes very little difference. What makes difference is:

- interest from contributors; - organization;
- coordination;
- media support.

However, my attempt had not so much result: https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1335023-wishing-for-history-brush

Without proper media support? Sorry to be blunt, but that was only to be expected.

Alexandre

25.02.2014 12:43, Alexandre Prokoudine пишет:

However, my attempt had not so much result: https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1335023-wishing-for-history-brush

Without proper media support? Sorry to be blunt, but that was only to be expected.

I had sent that to gimp mailing list. Since gimp contributors is here, they was able to see that. What more media support is required?

It is not about media support of my personal case. It is about support from Gimp project for such possibility to pay for "bugfixes". The problem is that users don't know, that it is possible to pay for feature request, and developers don't know where they can find users, that want to pay them.

You at the Gimp project can announce, that you will look at bountysource and similar platforms to accept paid request. That would be sufficient support, i think. If that announce will go to tech news web sites, it can even attract some interested people and some resources.

On 14-02-25 03:31 AM, Alexander Varnin wrote:

I think it is better to use bountysource and like this to finance Gimp development.

However, my attempt had not so much result: https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1335023-wishing-for-history-brushhttps://www.bountysource.com/issues/1335023-wishing-for-history-brush

Maybe this money amount is not enough :)

No amount of money will help if there is no one with the interest, time, and ability to implement the desired feature. The current bounty seems low (to me) a feature that may be complicated to implement. It sounds like it would be hard to implement but I was finding it difficult to follow the description of the feature.

Cheers!

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I understand what a history brush is, and it wouldn't be incredibly hard to implement -- it basically is a clone tool that takes its source from a point in the undo history. But $30 is not motivating. Perhaps $1000 would be motivating. This could also make a good GSOC project, if somebody was willing to mentor it.

Bill

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 8:43 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote:

On 14-02-25 03:31 AM, Alexander Varnin wrote:

I think it is better to use bountysource and like this to finance Gimp development.

However, my attempt had not so much result: https://www.bountysource.com/issues/1335023-wishing-for- history-brushhttps://www.bountysource.com/issues/ 1335023-wishing-for-history-brush

Maybe this money amount is not enough :)

No amount of money will help if there is no one with the interest, time, and ability to implement the desired feature. The current bounty seems low (to me) a feature that may be complicated to implement. It sounds like it would be hard to implement but I was finding it difficult to follow the description of the feature.

-- Cheers!

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On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Alexander Varnin wrote:

It is not about media support of my personal case. It is about support from Gimp project for such possibility to pay for "bugfixes". The problem is that users don't know, that it is possible to pay for feature request, and developers don't know where they can find users, that want to pay them.

Do we not? Oh good. It's amazing what one can learn from mailing lists :)

I've just reviewed the request again and realized my previous answer was invalid. Sorry about that.

You are more or less right about support from the team. The rest is, however, highly debatable, to put it mildly.

The explanation might look boring, please bear with me :)

1. You are asking for implementing a direct copy of a Photoshop feature. This can't happen unless it makes a perfect sense for future GEGL-based GIMP.

There could be better ways to implement the kind of functionality that history brush provides. So before we announce support for this bounty, we need to make all sorts of considerations. The last thing we need is letting someone do the work and then never merge the code.

2. I'm not entirely sure this is the right time for this project -- again, for technical reasons.

Think of the visual revision history feature that was made for GIMP, but based on a different acyclic graph system. This is something you would want "history brush" to be compatible with, wouldn't you?

But for _that_ revision history project you need the new file format that we haven't even seriously discussed yet. _And_ you need to adapt the revision history system to GEGL.

I hope you now better understand that this isn't all that trivial as it might have seemed to you (or maybe it haven't).

So yes, a little more responsiveness to your previous email wouldn't hurt (I blame myself), but it probably wouldn't help much either.

Alexandre

25 . 2014 . 21:20 "Bill Skaggs" :

I understand what a history brush is, and it wouldn't be incredibly hard

to

implement -- it basically is a clone tool that takes its source from a point in the undo history. But $30 is not motivating. Perhaps $1000

would

be motivating. This could also make a good GSOC project, if somebody was willing to mentor it.

Bill, if you are sure that this is doable right now and has no negative effect on our plans, drumming up 1K is totally realistic.

Alex

I haven't looked at the source code for 5 years, so my opinions are way out of date. All I can really say is that it was doable 5 years ago. Unless the undo mechanism has changed dramatically, it ought to be quite a bit easier than the healing brush, and that was a GSOC project.

Bill

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:

25 . 2014 . 21:20 "Bill Skaggs" :

I understand what a history brush is, and it wouldn't be incredibly hard

to

implement -- it basically is a clone tool that takes its source from a point in the undo history. But $30 is not motivating. Perhaps $1000

would

be motivating. This could also make a good GSOC project, if somebody was willing to mentor it.

Bill, if you are sure that this is doable right now and has no negative effect on our plans, drumming up 1K is totally realistic.

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25.02.2014 21:19, Bill Skaggs пишет:

I understand what a history brush is, and it wouldn't be incredibly hard to implement -- it basically is a clone tool that takes its source from a point in the undo history. But $30 is not motivating. Perhaps $1000 would be motivating. This could also make a good GSOC project, if somebody was willing to mentor it.

Bill

I understand, 30$ it is not so much. The idea is to collect money from many people, not from one. I'm not so rich to finance full 1000$.

If you ready to do that for 1000$, maybe you can set this as goal for this issue on its bountysource page? There is text field "I'd solve this for".

25.02.2014 21:20, Alexandre Prokoudine пишет:

I hope you now better understand that this isn't all that trivial as it might have seemed to you (or maybe it haven't).

Ok. Thanks for your answers.
I understand, that it is not so trivial to make it in a right way. My bounty expires in 6 month. However, if you will decide to make such feature later, I think I can post it back or even add some more money. I'm not so rich to pay 1000$ for this, but I will be happy to see such feature in gimp.

Von: "Alexander Varnin"

I understand, 30$ it is not so much. The idea is to collect money from many people, not from one. I'm not so rich to finance full 1000$.

If you ready to do that for 1000$, maybe you can set this as goal for this issue on its bountysource page? There is text field "I'd solve this for".

I've used the noise on #gimp yesterday to spend some time around some FSF channels. Somone there is currently launching a funding project that aims to enable developers to work fulltime on freee projects (software and others), and uses a non-bounty distributed approach to financing.

Still trying to understand it fully, I'll provide more details when I have them.

Regards,
Michael
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