Hi,

About the broken font support, which was simply in the end fontconfig's configuration which kept some absolute path from the Linux where it was cross-compiled from, I think it is a pretty broken stuff.

It was the reason of why italic/bold could not be simulated anymore in 2.8.6 for Windows.
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=708110

That's still an ok bug because I think most fonts have bold/italic faces anyway. But after testing, I could confirm that the bug where "Sans" was using a Serif-ed font, which is already much more annoying, is also the same.
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688593

And probably a few other bugs on fonts (reported already or not).

Also we have a bunch of fixes in gimp-2-8 branch anyway, and it is soon 4 months since 2.8.6. Maybe it is a good time to make a minor release? I feel like there is no much reason to delay bugfix releases. Do we have an accurate policy on minor releases?

Jehan

Hi,

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 10:34 PM, Michael Natterer wrote:

On 10/04/2013 10:12 AM, Jehan Pagčs wrote:

Also we have a bunch of fixes in gimp-2-8 branch anyway, and it is soon 4 months since 2.8.6. Maybe it is a good time to make a minor release? I feel like there is no much reason to delay bugfix releases. Do we have an accurate policy on minor releases?

ASAP, when I find the time :)

Awesome. :-)

Jehan

--Mitch

Hi,

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:19 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Jehan Pagès wrote:

It was the reason of why italic/bold could not be simulated anymore in 2.8.6 for Windows.

And I suggest we keep it that way. Committing crime against typography isn't going to make us popular among professionals.

Well I personally have no opinion there. But I know that some people liked this. And in this case, I would say that this should not be our call. If people want simulated italic/bold, why prevent them? The "professionals" would use fonts with the right faces, that's all. :-) That does not break anything in the workflow of people who don't want to use this.

In any case, massively breaking fontconfig is not the way to achieve this. ;-)

Also if we were to make such a change, it would only pertain to Windows users, because that's the only release where we embed Fontconfig. Other users, at least on Linux (and I guess OSX too, no?), would have a system-wide fontconfig already and we are not going to override the user's custom configuration.

But if a typography erudite wishes to get rid of this "criminal feature", one just has to delete the following file, and you are done: /etc/fonts/conf.d/90-synthetic.conf
(that's the Linux most common path. You can just find the equivalent for another installation/platform)
And that's it! :-)

Jehan

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Hi,

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 12:42 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Jehan Pagès wrote:

It was the reason of why italic/bold could not be simulated anymore in 2.8.6 for Windows.

And I suggest we keep it that way. Committing crime against typography isn't going to make us popular among professionals.

Well I personally have no opinion there. But I know that some people liked this. And in this case, I would say that this should not be our call. If people want simulated italic/bold, why prevent them?

Because fake italics and bold faces are an abomination :)

http://tavmjong.free.fr/blog/?p=822

I understand. I would still not remove the feature altogether. Maybe there could be a warning when someone requests a bold/italic when there is no such face and we are simulating them (GIMP does not handle this, but maybe there is a way for us to get a feedback when this happens), because I feel that the main issue is not that the feature exists, but rather that there is no feedback about this from the software.
If we were to give such a feedback, the typographic erudite would know to step away from this font, or at least do an informed choice about the matter.

I would personally not be against a feature request along this line. Giving the right feedback to users, and making them informed and active rather than passive in their choices, is totally my view of things.
If you write such a feature request, please Cc me. :-)

Jehan

Jehan

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