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Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method

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Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method Hadar Weiss 29 Aug 15:02
  Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method Alec Burgess 29 Aug 21:39
  Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method Alexandre Prokoudine 29 Aug 22:05
   Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method Michael Schumacher 29 Aug 22:50
    Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method Hadar Weiss 31 Aug 18:22
Hadar Weiss
2013-08-29 15:02:19 UTC (over 11 years ago)

Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method

Hello,

I'm Hadar Weiss, author of Sharefest. Sharefest is an open source project for P2P filesharing. Web-based Bittorrent if you wish. We want to deliver open source software for free and feature GIMP in our site to let people download it. To make it more efficient and fast to download, it will be helpful if you include link to Sharefest from GIMP.org.

Here's our download page for the windows installer https://www.sharefest.me/ec90ce95 (which can also be embedded in an Iframe if you wish).

Thanks for this great software, Hadar

Alec Burgess
2013-08-29 21:39:46 UTC (over 11 years ago)

Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method

Hi Hadar
Saw your post on Gimp-Web-list@gnome.org I gave it a try on Chrome.
First copied a small file from one PC to another of mine - worked fine. Currently d/l'ing the GIMP exe to both PC's ... a little later ... worked fine - currently shows [Connected to 2 peers]

Suggestion - it would be "nice" if user gets to select destination on his PC before starting rather than at completion (possibly even pre-allocate the file as can be done with uTorrent et.al.) so the user can allow the transfer to complete unattended rather than having to select destination at end). Note: - this may be because I've set Chrome to always request download location but I don't think the two s/b incompatible.

I'm a GIMP-user not a developer so can't put the link on GIMP.org but looks like a good idea to me. I guess the Iframe you speak of would show the number of current peers? NEAT.

Is your request to put the link/iframe on gimp.org a commitment on your part to keep your end up 24/7 for foreseeable future and to update to newer versions as they get issued?

Note: I tried to use IRC (as "alec"). I appear to show up on the irc page but can't figure out how to actually communicate with any of the others shown as logged in. ... later ... resolved but no-one responding to me ...

Regards ... Alec (buralex@gmail& WinLiveMess - alec.m.burgess@skype)

On 2013-08-29 11:02, Hadar Weiss wrote:

Hello,

I'm Hadar Weiss, author of Sharefest. Sharefest is an open source project for P2P filesharing. Web-based Bittorrent if you wish. We want to deliver open source software for free and feature GIMP in our site to let people download it. To make it more efficient and fast to download, it will be helpful if you include link to Sharefest from GIMP.org.

Here's our download page for the windows installer https://www.sharefest.me/ec90ce95 (which can also be embedded in an Iframe if you wish).

Thanks for this great software, Hadar
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Alexandre Prokoudine
2013-08-29 22:05:51 UTC (over 11 years ago)

Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method

On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Hadar Weiss wrote:

Hello,

I'm Hadar Weiss, author of Sharefest. Sharefest is an open source project for P2P filesharing. Web-based Bittorrent if you wish. We want to deliver open source software for free and feature GIMP in our site to let people download it. To make it more efficient and fast to download, it will be helpful if you include link to Sharefest from GIMP.org.

Here's our download page for the windows installer https://www.sharefest.me/ec90ce95 (which can also be embedded in an Iframe if you wish).

What goes below is just my personal opinion.

While I'm thankful to people who host downloads (and that's including you), I think it's a bad practice to add links to arbitrary websites. If everyone starts asking us to add links to their websites just because they host downloads, we'll have to invent policies, then make these policies more and more complex, and that is going to open a whole new can of worms.

Imagine a security breach on one of them, and we recommended it? Or coming up with decisions who deserves a link and who doesn't?

Again, that's only my personal opinion.

Alexandre

Michael Schumacher
2013-08-29 22:50:35 UTC (over 11 years ago)

Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method

On 30.08.2013 00:05, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

Imagine a security breach on one of them, and we recommended it?

I'll be honest: this offer has a really bad timing.

All those "Install IQ/ Download Admin" ads, the genuine trojaned gimphost.* crap and the download-arrow-faking ads at SourceForge (and their recent 'hey., use our adware-installing installer' move) put me in an "everyone who is not part of a FLOSS community is trying to kill FLOSS" mood.

"Secured, anonymous, instant,"...

We obviously would not want the anonymous part for files like installers, but verifiable checksums and signed files. Does the protocol allow to check for that, preferably befire the user downloads anything?

Regards,
Michael
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Hadar Weiss
2013-08-31 18:22:22 UTC (over 11 years ago)

Adding Sharefest as an alternative download method

I understand and agree with your concern about your users' protection and experience. Honestly, we cannot promise 100% 24/7 availability, but we'll do our best to be 99%+. As long as we will have users in Sharefest GIMP page, it will be available. As for security - what do you mean by verifying the file before the user downloads anything? We currently work on verifying each block downloaded. If a block has the wrong hash (checksum), it's discarded. Before the file is available for the user to execute, it will be verified as well.

If I haven't mention, Sharefest is FLOSS - https://github.com/Peer5/ShareFest and is totally free of these adware downloaders. You can think of it as a "Web Downloader", and the installer is untouched or repackaged. It's completely ads free - we do not want to make money out of GIMP at all!
Other than being more efficient under load (which can be critical for new version release), our system has two advantages that I didn't mention,:

1. Resumable downloads - even if the download is canceled or interrupted, users will be able to resume it. Useful for places with slow Internet in my opinion. This feature will be released this week. 2. LAN P2P - This is very useful for GIMP events or for organizations that have multiple users that need to install GIMP. In this case, the download speeds will no longer depend on the Internet connection because GIMP will be transferred among the users thru the local network. The bottom line is much faster download and less Internet bandwidth used. In my experience, bad Internet connection is common on hackathons for example, and downloads are VERY slow from the Internet.

It is obvious that there are many other hosts that want you to link them, and it's impossible to do that. But because Sharefest is not an HTTP host, it can actually work better than the mirrors on some cases. Perhaps we can test it for a short time, and see how it goes?

Thanks, Hadar

On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

On 30.08.2013 00:05, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

Imagine a security breach on one of them, and we recommended it?

I'll be honest: this offer has a really bad timing.

All those "Install IQ/ Download Admin" ads, the genuine trojaned gimphost.* crap and the download-arrow-faking ads at SourceForge (and their recent 'hey., use our adware-installing installer' move) put me in an "everyone who is not part of a FLOSS community is trying to kill FLOSS" mood.

"Secured, anonymous, instant,"...

We obviously would not want the anonymous part for files like installers, but verifiable checksums and signed files. Does the protocol allow to check for that, preferably befire the user downloads anything?

-- Regards,
Michael
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