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"File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters

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"File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters Richard Gitschlag 05 Aug 17:16
  "File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters Olivier 05 Aug 17:28
   "File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters Richard Gitschlag 06 Aug 14:57
    "File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters Alexandre Prokoudine 06 Aug 15:04
     "File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters Clayton Walker 06 Aug 15:22
      "File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters Alexandre Prokoudine 06 Aug 15:30
      "File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters Richard Gitschlag 06 Aug 15:50
Richard Gitschlag
2012-08-05 17:16:06 UTC (over 12 years ago)

"File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters

I know other people have noticed it, but the (Windows at least) Print plug-in in GIMP 2.8, while generally improved from GIMP 2.6, is missing one very important thing: The "Page Setup" command.

This is a problem, and regression, for a few reasons:

1 - Unable to specify Landscape orientation.

Yes, I know we can just rotate the whole image by 90 degrees but that is an extra (and possibly unwanted) step for the user. And yes, a printer provides its own Portrait/Lanscape option in its printer preferences, but it's a known bug that the latter isn't reflected in GIMP's print preview (thus, the user has no confirmation that it actually works) and more importantly ISN'T remembered between print sessions (even from the same source image). If I'm fine-tuning my settings for an exhibition-quality photo print, I DON'T want to have to specify Landscape option every. single. time. I make a test print.

2 - Unable to control/specify page margins.

What is the point of having an "Ignore Page Margins" option (which actually works right in 2.8, unlike 2.6) on the Image Settings tab when you don't even know what those margins are? There is also the issue of bug #659740, where the image's print position (and/or centering) do not actually work in Windows. In GIMP 2.6, me setting a two-inch Left margin (via Page Setup) worked, but setting a two-inch Left offset position (via Print > Image Settings) did not, and unfortunately this has not changed in 2.8 .

3 - Violates a common design convention.

"Page Setup" and "Print" as a pair of adjacent commands is present on a large majority of applications -- like how "Save" is placed right next to "Save As", or how an application menubar is always arranged in the specific order of "File", "Edit", "View" ... "Tools", "Windows", "Help". Yes, it has little to no effect programmatically, but it's a convention that a user can just expect to be there.

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Olivier
2012-08-05 17:28:12 UTC (over 12 years ago)

"File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters

2012/8/5 Richard Gitschlag :

I know other people have noticed it, but the (Windows at least) Print plug-in in GIMP 2.8, while generally improved from GIMP 2.6, is missing one very important thing: The "Page Setup" command.

This is a problem, and regression, for a few reasons:

1 - Unable to specify Landscape orientation.

Second tab of the "Print" dialog.

2 - Unable to control/specify page margins.

Third tab of the "Print" dialog.

3 - Violates a common design convention.

Is this common design convention so common, and so convenient? I had always found counterintuitive to have first to chose the orientation in a dialog, then print using another dialog. The new situation is much better.

Richard Gitschlag
2012-08-06 14:57:02 UTC (over 12 years ago)

"File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters

From: olecarme@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2012 19:28:12 +0200 Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] "File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters To: strata_ranger@hotmail.com
CC: gimp-developer-list@gnome.org

1 - Unable to specify Landscape orientation.

Second tab of the "Print" dialog.

Shall we compare screenshots then? Attached is all I have at my disposal:

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Alexandre Prokoudine
2012-08-06 15:04:58 UTC (over 12 years ago)

"File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote:

1 - Unable to specify Landscape orientation.

Second tab of the "Print" dialog.

Shall we compare screenshots then?

Shall we compare operating systems then? :)

Works just fine on Linux. Could be anything on Windows and Mac.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

Clayton Walker
2012-08-06 15:22:47 UTC (over 12 years ago)

"File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters

Ey, don't bring Macs into this, we're doing just fine.

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote:

1 - Unable to specify Landscape orientation.

Second tab of the "Print" dialog.

Shall we compare screenshots then?

Shall we compare operating systems then? :)

Works just fine on Linux. Could be anything on Windows and Mac.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Alexandre Prokoudine
2012-08-06 15:30:33 UTC (over 12 years ago)

"File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters

Good to know :)

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 7:22 PM, Clayton Walker wrote:

Ey, don't bring Macs into this, we're doing just fine.

Richard Gitschlag
2012-08-06 15:50:22 UTC (over 12 years ago)

"File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters

From: blender3dartist@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2012 11:22:47 -0400 CC: gimp-developer-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [Gimp-developer] "File -> Page Setup" missing in 2.8, why it matters

Ey, don't bring Macs into this, we're doing just fine.

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 11:04 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Richard Gitschlag wrote:

1 - Unable to specify Landscape orientation.

Second tab of the "Print" dialog.

Shall we compare screenshots then?

Shall we compare operating systems then? :)

Works just fine on Linux. Could be anything on Windows and Mac.

Alexandre Prokoudine

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So it really is specific to Windows GIMP, then.  That's as informative as it is unfortunate.

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