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Gimp UI ... hesitant about compiling a list... RMMjr 24 Jul 18:04
  Gimp UI ... hesitant about compiling a list... Simon Budig 24 Jul 18:56
   Gimp UI ... hesitant about compiling a list... Guillermo Espertino (Gez) 24 Jul 19:38
  Gimp UI ... hesitant about compiling a list... Alexandre Prokoudine 24 Jul 19:54
Gimp UI ... hesitant about compiling a list... Michael Grosberg 25 Jul 09:55
RMMjr
2012-07-24 18:04:29 UTC (over 12 years ago)

Gimp UI ... hesitant about compiling a list...

I caught this e-mail address on someone's signature line in a post...

Apologies in advance if this isn't the proper forum for a comment on Gimps UI, and please don't consider this as simply a rant, but Gimp could use the feedback of 1,000 idiots. Art is not something to be done like coding or scripting.. While I appreciate the necessity of properly placed semicolons and the syntactical issue which might arise in formal language from stray commas, Gimp simply drives me crazy.

I Suggest you monitor a gaggle of spastics (again, apologies if that isn't a PC term ) who with no prior instruction, are trying to use Gimp. Whatever it is that they do when they want to do something, implement that.

I've worked with a lot of software, and delved into usability issues, and while I'm not a luminary like Nielsen/Norman & Co, I can recognize when a UI is taxing me, or in some cases, when it reduces me to babbling, schitzo spaz trying to learn again how to use a stupid pencil. There is something about neuro-motor circuitry and art-brains which just doesn't cotton to sitting through hours of explanatory videos to do even simple stuff. You might recoil and suggest I just use some simple tool like 'paint' and be happy. I do use stuff like Blender, which similarly has an amazingly Star- Trekkie-esque UI, which can be similarly daunting if your mice and tablet and trackpads aren't deconfilicted with your systemwide hotkeys.

I know there's a place for folks who spend half their lives learning to use these amazing tools. But even if it is a CAD package, it's simply wrong to impose a strict behavioral syntax which makes complete sense to developers but which is initially counter-intuitive to un-indoctrinated users. I've actually demo'd Photoshop numerous times and managed to accomplish things after only a short time experimenting with theUI. Gimp, after using it for years, I'm still wondering how cut & paste, which is complicated by multiple 'floating' layers, selections which persist, things which behave like 'bugs' - modal stuff where strange boundaries which seemingly can't be eradicated constrain operations, where actions happen with selections long thought to be forgotten, surprises abound to the extent 'learning' by doing is not a practical approach. The UI never seems to explain itself.

Simon Budig
2012-07-24 18:56:02 UTC (over 12 years ago)

Gimp UI ... hesitant about compiling a list...

RMMjr (bob.montgomery.jr@gmail.com) wrote:

I've worked with a lot of software, and delved into usability issues, and while I'm not a luminary like Nielsen/Norman & Co, I can recognize when a UI is taxing me, or in some cases, when it reduces me to babbling, schitzo spaz trying to learn again how to use a stupid pencil. There is something about neuro-motor circuitry and art-brains which just doesn't cotton to sitting through hours of explanatory videos to do even simple stuff. You might recoil and suggest I just use some simple tool like 'paint' and be happy. I do use stuff like Blender, which similarly has an amazingly Star- Trekkie-esque UI, which can be similarly daunting if your mice and tablet and trackpads aren't deconfilicted with your systemwide hotkeys.

Please try to state your question/suggestion in a way, that non-native speaker have a chance of understanding. I did not get at all what you want, and my english in general is pretty good.

Thanks, Simon

Guillermo Espertino (Gez)
2012-07-24 19:38:39 UTC (over 12 years ago)

Gimp UI ... hesitant about compiling a list...

On 24/07/12 15:56, Simon Budig wrote:

Please try to state your question/suggestion in a way, that non-native speaker have a chance of understanding. I did not get at all what you want, and my english in general is pretty good. Thanks, Simon

He seems to suggest that GIMP developers should conduct a user experience study.
But he also seems to suggest that instead of artists or any kind of user in the target audience, developers should interview clueless people who refuse to learn anything or is dumb ('idiots' in his words) enough to take years to figure that floating selections can be anchored back or turned into new layers.

It can be summarized like this: "Perform a user experience study interviewing MS Paint users to figure out how to turn GIMP into MS Paint".

Gez

Alexandre Prokoudine
2012-07-24 19:54:26 UTC (over 12 years ago)

Gimp UI ... hesitant about compiling a list...

On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 10:04 PM, RMMjr wrote:

Gimp, after using it for
years, I'm still wondering how cut & paste, which is complicated by multiple 'floating' layers, selections which persist, things which behave like 'bugs' - modal stuff where strange boundaries which seemingly can't be eradicated constrain operations, where actions happen with selections long thought to be forgotten, surprises abound to the extent 'learning' by doing is not a practical approach. The UI never seems to explain itself.

For how long have you been reading this mailing list? My next question depends on your answer.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

Michael Grosberg
2012-07-25 09:55:17 UTC (over 12 years ago)

Gimp UI ... hesitant about compiling a list...

RMMjr gmail.com> writes:

I caught this e-mail address on someone's signature line in a post...

Well you're certainly a verbose one... I'll be brief though:
What you think are UI issues are actually code issues. The boundaries and floating layers are not there by choice exactly. there is an intention to get rid of them, but there are not many developers on this project and things simply take a long time. If you are a developer you might want to join and help.