On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:17 PM, grafxuser wrote:

Hi,

currently I see the gimp.org news page updated round about one time per month.

Why not tell the readers more often about GIMP's progress? Look at digikam.org. Nearly every week there comes a message, showing what's possible with Digikam and that the project is still alive.

More regular news will come when we have a proper news archival system.

To show this progress for GIMP, you could publish - which features are done,

None in weeks.

- which (severe or important) bugs where fixed,

Few

- who provided the most or best bugreports or bugfixes,

Information noise

- which bug reports need more info (bugs in state NEEDINFO)

Information noise

- which help is currently needed most (with specific tasks),

Text duplication

- what are interesting or new plug-ins in the plug-in-registry,

Few, but doable

- a feature roadmap,

Text duplication

- a link to an interesting article on your website

A what? :)

Besides this will save you from answering the same questions in the mailing list or chat room again and again instead of forcing development.

No, it won't

Secondly
you constantly update your release notes instead of having to do this big job before the next release and telling just a bit more, that there were tons of bugs fixed for a long time.

I didn't understand that one, sorry.

Of course I know your website and your information are public. But who really wants to dive deeply in a web page, register at a data kraken+, read lots of mailing list postings, forums, Bugzilla reports, Git commits etc., if he only wants to know _quickly_, if the project is still alive and what he can do for the project?

He only have to read the front page. It's that simple.

IMHO, the idea to use G**+ is not too good.

Ca. 5K users who currently read it don't share your view.

I hope you haven't planned to move there.

I fail to understand that one as well. How can we possibly move the whole website there?

On the one hand it's good to regularly post news. But on the other hand do people, who like to support you, not necessarily like to register at G**+.

They don't have to.

The main entrance to GIMP information should be gimp.org,

Which it still is.

like one would expect from a non-commercial project called GIMP. For quick information rather use the wiki or a public forum at gimp.org, please.

*sigh*

We kinda already do. No, really. We have a wiki. We maintain it. There's a link to it. It gets visits/

can also put the mailing list there and people can get in direct contact,

You mean we don't?

too. RSS is IMHO a good solution

Likewise

Maybe you could put a link to gimpusers.com on the front page.

Why?

Also publish your news to news pages of computer and graphics designer sites (heise.com, Golem, Linux magazine, Deviant art, DOCMA etc.) and get in touch with their editors.

As far as I can tell, they do it on their own accord.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

Maybe you could put a link to gimpusers.com on the front page.

Why?

- because it will not hurt - because it's somewhat logic (why not keeping a link to a community of users ?)

2012/3/12 Alexandre Prokoudine

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 11:17 PM, grafxuser wrote:

Hi,

currently I see the gimp.org news page updated round about one time per month.

Why not tell the readers more often about GIMP's progress? Look at digikam.org. Nearly every week there comes a message, showing what's possible with Digikam and that the project is still alive.

More regular news will come when we have a proper news archival system.

To show this progress for GIMP, you could publish - which features are done,

None in weeks.

- which (severe or important) bugs where fixed,

Few

- who provided the most or best bugreports or bugfixes,

Information noise

- which bug reports need more info (bugs in state NEEDINFO)

Information noise

- which help is currently needed most (with specific tasks),

Text duplication

- what are interesting or new plug-ins in the plug-in-registry,

Few, but doable

- a feature roadmap,

Text duplication

- a link to an interesting article on your website

A what? :)

Besides this will save you from answering the same questions in the

mailing

list or chat room again and again instead of forcing development.

No, it won't

Secondly
you constantly update your release notes instead of having to do this big job before the next release and telling just a bit more, that there were tons of bugs fixed for a long time.

I didn't understand that one, sorry.

Of course I know your website and your information are public. But who really wants to dive deeply in a web page, register at a data kraken+,

read

lots of mailing list postings, forums, Bugzilla reports, Git commits

etc.,

if he only wants to know _quickly_, if the project is still alive and

what

he can do for the project?

He only have to read the front page. It's that simple.

IMHO, the idea to use G**+ is not too good.

Ca. 5K users who currently read it don't share your view.

I hope you haven't planned to move there.

I fail to understand that one as well. How can we possibly move the whole website there?

On the one hand it's good to regularly post news. But on the other hand do people, who like to support you, not necessarily like to register at G**+.

They don't have to.

The main entrance to GIMP information should be gimp.org,

Which it still is.

like one would expect from a non-commercial project called GIMP. For

quick

information rather use the wiki or a public forum at gimp.org, please.

*sigh*

We kinda already do. No, really. We have a wiki. We maintain it. There's a link to it. It gets visits/

can also put the mailing list there and people can get in direct contact,

You mean we don't?

too. RSS is IMHO a good solution

Likewise

Maybe you could put a link to gimpusers.com on the front page.

Why?

Also publish your news to news pages of computer and graphics designer sites (heise.com, Golem, Linux magazine, Deviant art, DOCMA etc.) and get in touch with their editors.

As far as I can tell, they do it on their own accord.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
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On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 5:45 PM, SorinN wrote:

Maybe you could put a link togimpusers.comon the front page.

Why?

- because it will not hurt - because it's somewhat logic (why not keeping a link to a community of users ?)

I would think this is the other way around? :) I would expect the user groups to keep a link to gimp.org? I build Windows versions and don't expect gimp.org to link to my site. Moreover, there are other sites such as Gimpchat.com (my favorite), gimptalk.com, etc. Should they be linked as well? :)

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that's not mean that you are right. please think from the user perspective indeed you don't expect them to link to your builds that's does not mean that they should not do that.

from a developer point of view they have some reasons for that - connected with the credibility of the GIMP stable release probably.

why they don't point to your builds ? ..I don't know. this is a gap on communication also - many users ..let say early adopters can use those unstable builds for giving back bug reports or usability issues.

reducing the gap - you reduce the feedback.

I would expect the user groups to keep a link to gimp.org?

this is a problem of egg and chicken - they would not be there (90% of them - I take out the "visitors by mistake" of gimpusers) if they don't have GIMP already.

Moreover, there are other sites
such as Gimpchat.com (my favorite), gimptalk.com, etc. Should they be linked as well? :)

yes - it's all about communication - why stay hide ? why so much caution and for what reason ? too much Ying or too much Yang is not good either - a strong community involve communication ..consider those links as bridges. Maybe you can't imagine how powerful media vector Internet is ;)

2012/3/12 Partha Bagchi

On Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 5:45 PM, SorinN wrote:

Maybe you could put a link to gimpusers.com on the front page.

Why?

- because it will not hurt - because it's somewhat logic (why not keeping a link to a community of users ?)

I would think this is the other way around? :) I would expect the user groups to keep a link to gimp.org? I build Windows versions and don't expect gimp.org to link to my site. Moreover, there are other sites such as Gimpchat.com (my favorite), gimptalk.com, etc. Should they be linked as well? :)

2012/3/12 Alexandre Prokoudine

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:45 AM, SorinN wrote:

Maybe you could put a link togimpusers.comon the front page.

Why?

- because it will not hurt

- Why does a dog lick his balls?
- Because he can.

Sorry, but I need a better reason.

- because it's somewhat logic (why not keeping a link to a community of users ?)

Now this one is better, but just placing a link? I don't think so. Something like what blender.org does re blendernation.com would probably be better, but a) that would mean duplication of news and b) someone has to hack the code.

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On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Partha Bagchi wrote:

I would think this is the other way around? :) I would expect the user groups to keep a link to gimp.org? I build Windows versions and don't expect gimp.org to link to my site. Moreover, there are other sites such as Gimpchat.com (my favorite), gimptalk.com, etc. Should they be linked as well? :)

http://www.gimp.org/links/

I'll have a look at updating the list. Some restructuring is planned too.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Partha Bagchi wrote:

I build Windows versions and don't expect gimp.org to link to my site.

Actually, I think we should. You've been around for long enough to be trusted. Even though I'd feel much more comfortable if we hosted all unstable and experimental (rggjan, hey) builds on graphicall.org.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Anke Lange wrote:

hello list,

Hello Anke,

If you mail to the list, please mail to the list, not privately ;-)

I had a look at the linklist on gimp.org

So I find it rather difficult to believe, that my website and community is not registered on gimp.org, even though the gimp-werkstatt already exists for 7 years and is doing a great job on teaching the use of gimp to absolute beginners. I don't think gimpusers does exist for such a long time, so how did it make it's way on that list?

Since you're asking, gimpusers.de

- has twice as many backlinks - the Alexa Rank is twice better both globally and in Germany - was extablished in 2006, only a year later after you - the guy behind gimpusers.de is active in the global community

What was your question again? :)

I never heard of gimp-werkstatt.de before, but now that I've had a look -- sure, I can add it.

I believe, that there will be a lot of other communities that think this way.

They can think all they like, but if they don't tell us they exist, nothing is going to happen. Even though the team is international, we don't speak every language in the world yet and thus we rely on feedback from local communities.

Once again, it's all about taking action. You emailed us, and now your on my personal todo list. This is pretty much like bug reports.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 2:01 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:56 AM, Partha Bagchi wrote:

I build Windows versions and don't expect gimp.org to link to my site.

Actually, I think we should. You've been around for long enough to be trusted. Even though I'd feel much more comfortable if we hosted all unstable and experimental (rggjan, hey) builds on graphicall.org.

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Thanks for your vote of confidence. :)

My builds are hosted at grahicall.org and were put there kindly by one of the users of my builds.

Am 12.03.2012 10:05, schrieb Alexandre Prokoudine:

On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Anke Lange wrote:

hello list,

Hello Anke,

If you mail to the list, please mail to the list, not privately ;-)

Sorry about that, I didn't mean to and I'm not used to writing on mailinglists :(

...

I never heard of gimp-werkstatt.de before, but now that I've had a look -- sure, I can add it.

I guess you don't use a lot of german websides, so thank you very much for linking us now, that you've had a look at it.

I believe all of you are doing a great job. I'm thankfull for that you are spending your little leaturetime on Gimp.To provide such brilliant programm.

regards
Anke

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