On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Mike Finch wrote:

Hey all,
On the topic of redesign, I suggest GIMP goes in this direction: http://1sixty.com/030412_GIMP_Homepage.png

GIMP's popularity could significantly gain traction with mainstream users by calling-out features and benefits in a more market-friendly manner.. We have an opportunity to push GIMP into the homes of people who have never used Linux before, and we'd be wise to adopt that demographic into GIMP's user base.

If you'd like to discuss this mockup or any other ideas, I'd love to help however possible.

Now *that* is very close to what I personally would like to see.

I have no end of nitpicks, of course, but, again, personally I think it's the right direction.

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Wow! I like that one way better. I could easily make that too. Now is that just an image created in some software or is it an actual HTML template that's been made already? Also, who made this?

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On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Mike Finch wrote:

Hey all,
On the topic of redesign, I suggest GIMP goes in this direction: http://1sixty.com/030412_GIMP_Homepage.png

GIMP's popularity could significantly gain traction with mainstream users by calling-out features and benefits in a more market-friendly manner.. We have an opportunity to push GIMP into the homes of people who have never used Linux before, and we'd be wise to adopt that demographic into GIMP's user base.

If you'd like to discuss this mockup or any other ideas, I'd love to help however possible.

Now *that* is very close to what I personally would like to see.

I have no end of nitpicks, of course, but, again, personally I think it's the right direction.

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You're welcome! I'm not busy with any other projects right now, so I can most likely finish the homepage in a day or two. While I code the site, you could make more templates for the other pages. Of course we'd need the go ahead from an admin or someone else first. And again, great job on the design!

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On Mar 5, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Mike Finch wrote:

Thanks for the kind comments, all. I made it (Mike Finch @1sixty.com). Right now, it's just a flat PNG mockup. By trade, I'm a UX/UI designer- not a developer. If you feel comfortable building something like this, it'd be great to work closer with you on requirements/assets/etc.

I'm new in the group, so just let me know what I can do to help! Mike

On Monday, March 5, 2012, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

Wow! I like that one way better. I could easily make that too. Now is that just an image created in some software or is it an actual HTML template that's been made already? Also, who made this?

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On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Mike Finch wrote:

Hey all,
On the topic of redesign, I suggest GIMP goes in this direction: http://1sixty.com/030412_GIMP_Homepage.png

GIMP's popularity could significantly gain traction with mainstream users by calling-out features and benefits in a more market-friendly manner.. We have an opportunity to push GIMP into the homes of people who have never used Linux before, and we'd be wise to adopt that demographic into GIMP's user base.

If you'd like to discuss this mockup or any other ideas, I'd love to help however possible.

Now *that* is very close to what I personally would like to see.

I have no end of nitpicks, of course, but, again, personally I think it's the right direction.

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Also, if you used GIMP to make the design, could you please send me an XCF file so that I don't have to recreate everything :P

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On Mar 5, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Mike Finch wrote:

Thanks for the kind comments, all. I made it (Mike Finch @1sixty.com). Right now, it's just a flat PNG mockup. By trade, I'm a UX/UI designer- not a developer. If you feel comfortable building something like this, it'd be great to work closer with you on requirements/assets/etc.

I'm new in the group, so just let me know what I can do to help! Mike

On Monday, March 5, 2012, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

Wow! I like that one way better. I could easily make that too. Now is that just an image created in some software or is it an actual HTML template that's been made already? Also, who made this?

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On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Mike Finch wrote:

Hey all,
On the topic of redesign, I suggest GIMP goes in this direction: http://1sixty.com/030412_GIMP_Homepage.png

GIMP's popularity could significantly gain traction with mainstream users by calling-out features and benefits in a more market-friendly manner.. We have an opportunity to push GIMP into the homes of people who have never used Linux before, and we'd be wise to adopt that demographic into GIMP's user base.

If you'd like to discuss this mockup or any other ideas, I'd love to help however possible.

Now *that* is very close to what I personally would like to see.

I have no end of nitpicks, of course, but, again, personally I think it's the right direction.

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On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

Also, if you used GIMP to make the design, could you please send me an XCF file so that I don't have to recreate everything :P

Er, this isn't the final design :) Just in case... :)

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@Alex Yeah I know :P

@Mike Well I already have the basic "shell" of it done. I'm pretty fast at coding lol. All that I really need at this point is the white icons on the buttons, the laptop pictures, and the brick background. To be honest, I don't know much about the procedure my self... :/

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On Mar 5, 2012, at 8:50 PM, Mike Finch wrote:

Yeah, I can definitely get you a layered file to get assets from, but let's make sure everyone is on-board before you invest your code-time into anything. Who should we talk to about this? Sorry, again, I'm new.. What's the procedure for proposed changes to things like this?

Mike Finch 1sixty.com

On Monday, March 5, 2012 at 6:42 PM, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

Also, if you used GIMP to make the design, could you please send me an XCF file so that I don't have to recreate everything :P

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On Mar 5, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Mike Finch wrote:

Thanks for the kind comments, all. I made it (Mike Finch @1sixty.com). Right now, it's just a flat PNG mockup. By trade, I'm a UX/UI designer- not a developer. If you feel comfortable building something like this, it'd be great to work closer with you on requirements/assets/etc.

I'm new in the group, so just let me know what I can do to help! Mike

On Monday, March 5, 2012, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

Wow! I like that one way better. I could easily make that too. Now is that just an image created in some software or is it an actual HTML template that's been made already? Also, who made this?

Sent from my iPod

On Mar 5, 2012, at 12:50 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Mike Finch wrote:

Hey all,
On the topic of redesign, I suggest GIMP goes in this direction: http://1sixty.com/030412_GIMP_Homepage.png

GIMP's popularity could significantly gain traction with mainstream users by calling-out features and benefits in a more market-friendly manner.. We have an opportunity to push GIMP into the homes of people who have never used Linux before, and we'd be wise to adopt that demographic into GIMP's user base.

If you'd like to discuss this mockup or any other ideas, I'd love to help however possible.

Now *that* is very close to what I personally would like to see.

I have no end of nitpicks, of course, but, again, personally I think it's the right direction.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
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Hi Mike.
It's a very nice design. I liked it a lot and I'd like to see that design landing in GIMP.org
Just a few comments:
- Typography: That's Helvetica, isn't it? If that's not a freely available webfont I guess we won't be able to use it. And since it's 2012, rasterizing titles won't be an option ;-) What about using a free webfont from www.google.com/webfonts? Free fonts would make more sense than proprietary for a free software project. - Maybe we should discuss what desktop theme to use for the screenshots. IMO the default gnome3 desktop would be more appropriate than the theme used (which is Ubuntu's and it isn't even the default theme in that system). This remark isn't about aesthetics, but making it easier to contributors to create new screenshots for the site. It would be more consistent if all of us use the same theme for that. - I'm not sure about the monochrome Wilber. It's true that the current incarnations of the mascot will probably look too cartoonish for that design, but I don't think this version looks much better to replace it. - I know it's example content, but be careful about some titles like "Professional Level Photo filters". Many users (and even developers) can argue that the current state of filters and tools aren't ready for high end editing, based on the lack of high bit depth processing. Since most of people seem to think that professional is necessarily high-end, this could start again endless flamewars. So I'd avise to avoid that kind of stuff. - The brick wall looks really cool there, but why is it there? Is it example texture or is it supposed to say something about the product? (I hope it isn't a placeholder saying "bang your head here" :-p)

Apart from that I insist that it's a very beautiful design, well organized, easy to the eyes and with information hierarchies that feel just right.

Gez

On 2012-03-06 16:29, gespertino@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Mike.
It's a very nice design. I liked it a lot and I'd like to see that design landing in GIMP.org
Just a few comments:
- Typography: That's Helvetica, isn't it? If that's not a freely available webfont I guess we won't be able to use it. And since it's 2012, rasterizing titles won't be an option ;-) What about using a free webfont from www.google.com/webfonts ? Free fonts would make more sense
than proprietary for a free software project. - Maybe we should discuss what desktop theme to use for the screenshots. IMO the default gnome3 desktop would be more appropriate than the theme used (which is Ubuntu's and it isn't even the default theme in that system). This remark isn't about aesthetics, but making it easier to contributors to create new screenshots for the site. It would be more consistent if all of us use the same theme for that. - I'm not sure about the monochrome Wilber. It's true that the current incarnations of the mascot will probably look too cartoonish for that design, but I don't think this version looks much better to replace it. - I know it's example content, but be careful about some titles like "Professional Level Photo filters". Many users (and even developers) can argue that the current state of filters and tools aren't ready for high end editing, based on the lack of high bit depth processing. Since most of people seem to think that professional is necessarily high-end, this could start again endless flamewars. So I'd avise to avoid that kind of stuff.
- The brick wall looks really cool there, but why is it there? Is it example texture or is it supposed to say something about the product? (I hope it isn't a placeholder saying "bang your head here" :-p)

Apart from that I insist that it's a very beautiful design, well organized, easy to the eyes and with information hierarchies that feel just right.

Gez

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I personally think that you should take into account the following issues: * use of grid system like 960gs
* graceful degradation of javascript code * html5 support
* maybe responsive design but first we should check how many visitors use mobile devices

I always seem to be jumping the gun :P

I'll stop coding for now and wait til we get a complete list of everything we want and don't want.

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On Mar 6, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Damian Zalewski wrote:

On 2012-03-06 16:29, gespertino@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Mike.
It's a very nice design. I liked it a lot and I'd like to see that design landing in GIMP.org Just a few comments:
- Typography: That's Helvetica, isn't it? If that's not a freely available webfont I guess we won't be able to use it. And since it's 2012, rasterizing titles won't be an option ;-) What about using a free webfont from www.google.com/webfonts? Free fonts would make more sense than proprietary for a free software project. - Maybe we should discuss what desktop theme to use for the screenshots. IMO the default gnome3 desktop would be more appropriate than the theme used (which is Ubuntu's and it isn't even the default theme in that system). This remark isn't about aesthetics, but making it easier to contributors to create new screenshots for the site. It would be more consistent if all of us use the same theme for that. - I'm not sure about the monochrome Wilber. It's true that the current incarnations of the mascot will probably look too cartoonish for that design, but I don't think this version looks much better to replace it. - I know it's example content, but be careful about some titles like "Professional Level Photo filters". Many users (and even developers) can argue that the current state of filters and tools aren't ready for high end editing, based on the lack of high bit depth processing. Since most of people seem to think that professional is necessarily high-end, this could start again endless flamewars. So I'd avise to avoid that kind of stuff. - The brick wall looks really cool there, but why is it there? Is it example texture or is it supposed to say something about the product? (I hope it isn't a placeholder saying "bang your head here" :-p)

Apart from that I insist that it's a very beautiful design, well organized, easy to the eyes and with information hierarchies that feel just right.

Gez

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I personally think that you should take into account the following issues: * use of grid system like 960gs
* graceful degradation of javascript code * html5 support
* maybe responsive design but first we should check how many visitors use mobile devices

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Also Mike, do you think you can did the actual brick background itself? Without the computer screen running GIMP?

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On Mar 6, 2012, at 1:34 PM, Damian Zalewski wrote:

On 2012-03-06 16:29, gespertino@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Mike.
It's a very nice design. I liked it a lot and I'd like to see that design landing in GIMP.org Just a few comments:
- Typography: That's Helvetica, isn't it? If that's not a freely available webfont I guess we won't be able to use it. And since it's 2012, rasterizing titles won't be an option ;-) What about using a free webfont from www.google.com/webfonts? Free fonts would make more sense than proprietary for a free software project. - Maybe we should discuss what desktop theme to use for the screenshots. IMO the default gnome3 desktop would be more appropriate than the theme used (which is Ubuntu's and it isn't even the default theme in that system). This remark isn't about aesthetics, but making it easier to contributors to create new screenshots for the site. It would be more consistent if all of us use the same theme for that. - I'm not sure about the monochrome Wilber. It's true that the current incarnations of the mascot will probably look too cartoonish for that design, but I don't think this version looks much better to replace it. - I know it's example content, but be careful about some titles like "Professional Level Photo filters". Many users (and even developers) can argue that the current state of filters and tools aren't ready for high end editing, based on the lack of high bit depth processing. Since most of people seem to think that professional is necessarily high-end, this could start again endless flamewars. So I'd avise to avoid that kind of stuff. - The brick wall looks really cool there, but why is it there? Is it example texture or is it supposed to say something about the product? (I hope it isn't a placeholder saying "bang your head here" :-p)

Apart from that I insist that it's a very beautiful design, well organized, easy to the eyes and with information hierarchies that feel just right.

Gez

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I personally think that you should take into account the following issues: * use of grid system like 960gs
* graceful degradation of javascript code * html5 support
* maybe responsive design but first we should check how many visitors use mobile devices

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012/3/7 Mike Finch

6) In regards to the monochrome Wilber (please don't start throwing stones), Wilber is an awesome mascot/logo, but his current version is extremely dated. With giving Gimp a new visual style, I think Wilber also needs a more modern makeover to appeal to a wider audience.

Kind of agree, but you used an old wilber. There's a more recent (and imho pleasing) version you could use. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilber

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:17 PM, gespertino wrote:

6) In regards to the monochrome Wilber (please don't start throwing stones), Wilber is an awesome mascot/logo, but his current version is extremely dated. With giving Gimp a new visual style, I think Wilber also needs a more modern makeover to appeal to a wider audience.

Kind of agree, but you used an old wilber. There's a more recent (and imho pleasing) version you could use. http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilber

+1

Beats me why people insist on using the much older icon. It's not as if we weren't shipping a newer glamourous 256x256 one by Jimmac with a source SVG image.

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2012/3/9 Mike Finch

That version is definitely more up to date than most that are floating around, but I'd ideally still like to move away from the big, bubbly, glossy trend. In the design community, this is a style that's years out of date and with trying to push usage to more mainstream demographics, I think it's a trend that would discredit our attempt to bill it as a modern, up-to-date application.

I'm not sure if the problem is really a "rendering" issue. I don't think the icon I linked looks dated in style or finishing. It's rather the idea of using a mascot as branding what probably looks dated.
The problem won't go away by just tweaking the style of the illustration: It's a cute mascot holding a paintbrush in it's mouth and that's what looks anachronic

Let's try this- Let me take this version you linked me to, and see if I can take some of the "Web 2.0 Bubble" look out of it. It might be a good middle-ground to please both current and future users.

If you want to give it a try, keep in mind that there's a 256x256 icon in SVG format, as Alexandre just pointed out.

Gez.

On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 9:53 PM, Mike Finch wrote:

How would the community respond to just having the "Gimp" wordmark as the logo in the Primary Navigation?

Personally I'd be more than just fine with that. In fact, I'd rather see a different brand font too. There are all kinds of approaches at industrial style, but this fat, blocky and slanted one is not something I'd love to see people get when they deal with GIMP.

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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Mike Finch wrote:

Hey all,
On the topic of redesign, I suggest GIMP goes in this direction: http://1sixty.com/030412_GIMP_Homepage.png

So, as mentioned earlier, some wording's got to change to follow the product vision [1]. And some typography rules have to be honored too. :et's have some evil micromanagement :)

- Gimp > GIMP - no dots at the end of headers, i.e. "GIMP" instead of "GIMP." - "The freely distrubuted"... Oh? It was free all the way. It's kinda substantial :)
- "play with tools" - people play with toys , but _work_ with tools :) We deliver a tool.
- "design like a pro" - same again, this is an appeal to amateurs, while we are aiming higher. "to create professional quakity designs" would send the right message, albeit that would be too much use use of "professional" on a single page.
- "Professional level photo filters" could be "Excellent color grading filters" - I'm not entrirely sure you need ttitle case on call to action buttons. All caps would do.

Comments on navigation etc. will follow.

[1] http://gui.gimp.org/index.php/GIMP_UI_Redesign#product_vision

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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Mike Finch wrote:

Hey all,
On the topic of redesign, I suggest GIMP goes in this direction: http://1sixty.com/030412_GIMP_Homepage.png

OK, navigation, layout and suchlike.

- Screenshots should be part of Features page really. - GIMP Dev should be a section of Get Involved. - There's no search field. We don't have one right now either, but it's a bad excuse :)
- I'm not sure that we really need duplicated calls to action (top download button + three ones above the footer) all that much. The download button is above the fold already, there's no need to reinforce it.
- The layout grid needs fixing (or, rather, introducing?). Elements are only partially aligned.

Odd amount of vertical elements below the fold is a bit, well, odd :) Personally I would add a third promo subsection in place of the final picture. If you start with "photo filters", then it'd be only logical to cover other use cases such as digital painting. Web design would nicely complement them. This is exactly where I see the need for a specification prior to design activity.

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On Fri, Mar 9, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

OK, navigation, layout and suchlike.

And few more things while at that.

- the middle bar (Screenshots, Gimp News, Gimp Dev) needs rethinking in my opinion. It's currently duplicating part of the navigation system. We need to make sure ew aare placing the right stuff there. - I'm not entirely convinced by the lack of at least news headers on the front page.
- The design doesn't take into account our social activity and doesn't visialise the RSS feed. We actually have a quite popular Google+ page, I do believe that we have a Facebook page and we will probably have an official Twitter account if we already don't (I have to check on that). Oh, and we have a nice Flickr group (albeit Flickr itself is losing momentum).

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On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Mike Finch wrote:

Hey all,
On the topic of redesign, I suggest GIMP goes in this direction: http://1sixty.com/030412_GIMP_Homepage.png

Finally, branding, colors and visuals.

Barnding. As pointed out earlier, branding needs revisiting anyway. The font has to be changed, the monochrome logo needs some work too.

Colors and background. Personally, I'm not really sure about the brick wall and the ochre color that seems to be trying to match it. I'd use a tad more saturated orange color. And I'd really like to know what message the brick wall is trying to convey :) That we are into industrial style?

Visuals. I see that all the pictures use one or two layers at most. This has got to change. Lots of layers and masks -- that's what the pros are used to. If we really want to demonstrate that one can do some abstract art with GIMP, then it should be clear that the design was created in GIMP, and it's not just a PNG opened in the app. Also, if we demonstrate a photo, it should be really polished regarding colors: the one currently used in the first promo shot has dull sky. It should also demo state of the art UI which is now single-window mode all the way. We also have to be sure about licenses of the images that we use.

I realize that this is a lot of critics towards just an initial mockup which I personally find great, but I think that a number of points should be made upfront :)

Thanks again, and I'm looking forward towards the future cooperation!

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Hi,

My name is Ezequiel Bruni, and I'm a web designer and front-end developer ( www.ezequielbruni.com). I looked at Mike Finch's mock-up, and I like it. It's simple, it's clean, and it's bold. I wanted to try a couple of things, though. Could I possibly get a copy of the .xcf file, please?

Also, I was wondering what your mobile strategy was. The design I saw could quite easily be adapted to create a responsive layout, so that's not a problem. Or would you want to create a separate mobile version?

Regards,

Ezequiel Bruni

Please guys, can someone fix the last link on the downloads page (under ftp and web mirrors -> united states) - it's been broken for a few months now.  All we need to do is take out the '(web' at the end of the link .... it seems that was somehow appended to the actual url.  I'm going to set up rsync for it, but I would like to have the link functioning so others can actually download.

Thanks so much.

From: Mike Finch 
To: Alexandre Prokoudine  
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Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] GIMP Site Redesign
 

Hey Alexandre,
Thanks for all your feedback.  To comment some responses-

1) I can change things to reflect "GIMP" instead of "Gimp".

2) "Free" is a difficult concept for mainstream users.  For those in this community the difference is obvious because it's at the core of who you are as an open-source advocate..  To a 19 year old kid that frequents mtv.com instead of Slashdot, diving into the true definition of "Free" is going to confuse the hell out of them.  I agree that the design should reference that it's Free Software, but I'd rather error on the side of mainstream users than the pros in this community.

3) I can shy away from using references to "play/playing".

4) There's a fine-line between staging this as a "high-end application" and "for pros".  While I would agree that GIMP is indeed a high-end application, it's not an application used by "pros".  To keep GIMP's marketing messages authentic, it'd be best to explain that GIMP is absolutely top-notch software, but targeted for an intermediate, mid-level user who wants to make kick-ass photos/icons/whatever.

5) If the community votes to make titles and/or taglines all caps, so be it.  I personally find it obnoxious and it's generally considered a bad practice however in both the professional design and usability communities.

6) Separating "Screenshots" from "Features" was deliberate, in that the flow for each is separate.  "Seeing what it can do" and "seeing what it looks like" is very similar, but different beasts..  This is also the same for putting "GIMP Dev" into "Get Involved".  It's the classic "All poodles are dogs, but not all dogs are poodles" scenario.

7) Search bars aren't necessary on a marketing sites.  That said, when the user gets into bug reporting/wikis/etc, that should definitely be available.

8) Having multiple Download buttons at different lengths of the site statistically creates more engagement.  Lots of usability studies have been done to prove this.

9) The grid I'm using is a bit floaty and most of the body elements aren't strictly on it.  I agree that it's sloppy.  I'll tighten that up.  Very good catch.

10) I'd be happy to add another marketing call-out for "web design".  If you could send me a screenshot you'd like me to add-in with any title/tagline copy, I'll get that added for you.  Another great idea.

11) The call-outs in the middle bar was based on the needs of two basic personas- those who don't know anything about GIMP, and those that already have it and are some level of "power user".  Of the options available, I thought this was the most efficient combination to keep from alienating the other demographic.  

12) Regarding the lack of news on the front-page, news doesn't do anything to positively effect conversion of new users.  Many studies actually show that it has a negative impact because it references things the new user isn't familiar with and aids as a distraction to their conversion.  This means the only people that benefit are people who are already using GIMP and want updates; however those people are already users, and therefore the concern of conversion for this demographic isn't valid.  People who want news will find it easily through different areas in the navigation.  It's not necessary on page-load.

13) Good call on the social media.  I'll add links to Google+ and Facebook with the Twitter link in the Footer and call them out more prominently.


Hope that addresses some of the concerns you had.  Let me make some of these revisions and I'll throw up an new version for critique.  Thanks sir!



Mike Finch
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On Friday, March 9, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:21 AM, Mike Finch wrote:
>Hey all,
>>On the topic of redesign, I suggest GIMP goes in this direction:
>> http://1sixty.com/030412_GIMP_Homepage.png
>
>
>Finally, branding, colors and visuals.
>
>
>Barnding. As pointed out earlier, branding needs revisiting anyway.
>The font has to be changed, the monochrome logo needs some work too.
>
>
>Colors and background. Personally, I'm not really sure about the brick
>wall and the ochre color that seems to be trying to match it. I'd use
>a tad more saturated orange color. And I'd really like to know what
>message the brick wall is trying to convey :) That we are into
>industrial style?
>
>
>Visuals. I see that all the pictures use one or two layers at most.
>This has got to change. Lots of layers and masks  -- that's what the
>pros are used to. If we really want to demonstrate that one can do
>some abstract art with GIMP, then it should be clear that the design
>was created in GIMP, and it's not just a PNG opened in the app. Also,
>if we demonstrate a photo, it should be really polished regarding
>colors: the one currently used in the first promo shot has dull sky.
>It should also demo state of the art UI which is now single-window
>mode all the way. We also have to be sure about licenses of the images
>that we use.
>
>
>I realize that this is a lot of critics towards just an initial mockup
>which I personally find great, but I think that a number of points
>should be made upfront :)
>
>
>Thanks again, and I'm looking forward towards the future cooperation!
>
>
>Alexandre Prokoudine
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2012/3/12 Mike Finch

2) "Free" is a difficult concept for mainstream users. For those in this community the difference is obvious because it's at the core of who you are as an open-source advocate.. To a 19 year old kid that frequents mtv.cominstead of Slashdot, diving into the true definition of "Free" is going to confuse the hell out of them. I agree that the design should reference that it's Free Software, but I'd rather error on the side of mainstream users than the pros in this community.

"Free" will stay a difficult concept for mainstream as long as mainstream users aren't familiar with it :)
Avoiding the term won't help.
GIMP is free software and now that it was relicensed as (L)GPL v3 it's freer than ever.
Perhaps "Free/Libre" instead of just "free" helps to avoid the confusion with "free as in beer", but we shouldn't replace or avoid the concept. It's important.
And if you want to educate mainstream about what Free software is, you can make every mention of Free software a link to a page with an explanation. It's hypertext after all :)

4) There's a fine-line between staging this as a "high-end application" and "for pros". While I would agree that GIMP is indeed a high-end application, it's not an application used by "pros". To keep GIMP's marketing messages authentic, it'd be best to explain that GIMP is absolutely top-notch software, but targeted for an intermediate, mid-level user who wants to make kick-ass photos/icons/whatever.

Personally, I'd avoid both ("high end" and "for pros"). First things first: we can't do high-end manipulation with GIMP yet. As long as we don't have high bit depth (and probably a non-destructive workflow), GIMP will be pretty harsh with our images quality and claiming it provides high-end image quality isn't acurate. Things are going to change, but atm this is what we have. "Pro" is a tricky term too. In spanish a professional is just somebody getting a living from certain activity, which s/he performs with a reasonable grade of expertise.
According that definition, anyone working with GIMP, or even MS Paint, creating stuff that looks fine and pays the bills with it is a professional. Me, for instance. I'm a professional graphic designer using only free software. I have a Graphic Design degree, I get a living doing graphic design and my work has a reasonable quality. If you ask me if GIMP is ready for professional work, I'll say yes and I can prove it. But if I moved to a high-end market where everyone works with bleeding-edge technology, where everything is likely proprietary, probably I'd be in trouble.
Saying what is and what isn't "professional" depends on the context where the work is done, and that word will have different meanings depending who reads it.

Just my 2 cents

I was sifting through my email when I just so happened to find this old topic. I found Mike's concept design and decided to try and code it again. Here's what I came up with in about 3-4 hours: http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/

It's about 70% done. I still have to add the navigation bar up top, add images of GIMP in the slideshow, actually style the slideshow, add the logos, and make it look better on larger monitors. I use an old 1024x768 monitor so I have no way of knowing how it'll look on larger ones :/ Although someone was kind enough to send me this: http://i.imgur.com/amz74vW.jpg

I still have quite a bit of work left but I just thought I'd share what I've done so far. As for the text, I know someone mentioned to stay away from saying stuff like "for pros" but I just used that as dummy text til we come up with something different.

What do you guys think?

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM, gespertino@gmail.com wrote:

2012/3/12 Mike Finch

2) "Free" is a difficult concept for mainstream users. For those in this community the difference is obvious because it's at the core of who you are as an open-source advocate.. To a 19 year old kid that frequents mtv.cominstead of Slashdot, diving into the true definition of "Free" is going to confuse the hell out of them. I agree that the design should reference that it's Free Software, but I'd rather error on the side of mainstream users than the pros in this community.

"Free" will stay a difficult concept for mainstream as long as mainstream users aren't familiar with it :)
Avoiding the term won't help.
GIMP is free software and now that it was relicensed as (L)GPL v3 it's freer than ever.
Perhaps "Free/Libre" instead of just "free" helps to avoid the confusion with "free as in beer", but we shouldn't replace or avoid the concept. It's important.
And if you want to educate mainstream about what Free software is, you can make every mention of Free software a link to a page with an explanation. It's hypertext after all :)

4) There's a fine-line between staging this as a "high-end application" and "for pros". While I would agree that GIMP is indeed a high-end application, it's not an application used by "pros". To keep GIMP's marketing messages authentic, it'd be best to explain that GIMP is absolutely top-notch software, but targeted for an intermediate, mid-level user who wants to make kick-ass photos/icons/whatever.

Personally, I'd avoid both ("high end" and "for pros"). First things first: we can't do high-end manipulation with GIMP yet. As long as we don't have high bit depth (and probably a non-destructive workflow), GIMP will be pretty harsh with our images quality and claiming it provides high-end image quality isn't acurate. Things are going to change, but atm this is what we have. "Pro" is a tricky term too. In spanish a professional is just somebody getting a living from certain activity, which s/he performs with a reasonable grade of expertise.
According that definition, anyone working with GIMP, or even MS Paint, creating stuff that looks fine and pays the bills with it is a professional. Me, for instance. I'm a professional graphic designer using only free software. I have a Graphic Design degree, I get a living doing graphic design and my work has a reasonable quality. If you ask me if GIMP is ready for professional work, I'll say yes and I can prove it. But if I moved to a high-end market where everyone works with bleeding-edge technology, where everything is likely proprietary, probably I'd be in trouble.
Saying what is and what isn't "professional" depends on the context where the work is done, and that word will have different meanings depending who reads it.

Just my 2 cents

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It looks so much better than the actual version. Please continue and hopefully gimp.org gets that redesign soon!

I uploaded a screenshot for 1366x768 notebook screen and firefox http://imgbin.org/index.php?page=image&id=12546

You know http://browsershots.org/ to test it under different browsers an screen resolutions?!

cheers
A
m Montag, den 01.04.2013, 15:15 -0400 schrieb Kasim Ahmic:

I was sifting through my email when I just so happened to find this old topic. I found Mike's concept design and decided to try and code it again. Here's what I came up with in about 3-4 hours: http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/

It's about 70% done. I still have to add the navigation bar up top, add images of GIMP in the slideshow, actually style the slideshow, add the logos, and make it look better on larger monitors. I use an old 1024x768 monitor so I have no way of knowing how it'll look on larger ones :/ Although someone was kind enough to send me this: http://i.imgur.com/amz74vW.jpg

I still have quite a bit of work left but I just thought I'd share what I've done so far. As for the text, I know someone mentioned to stay away from saying stuff like "for pros" but I just used that as dummy text til we come up with something different.

What do you guys think?

On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 1:14 PM, gespertino@gmail.com wrote:

2012/3/12 Mike Finch


2) "Free" is a difficult concept for mainstream users. For those in this community the difference is obvious because it's at the core of who you are as an open-source advocate.. To a 19 year old kid that frequents mtv.com instead of Slashdot, diving into the true definition of "Free" is going to confuse the hell out of them. I agree that the design should reference that it's Free Software, but I'd rather error on the side of mainstream users than the pros in this community.

"Free" will stay a difficult concept for mainstream as long as mainstream users aren't familiar with it :) Avoiding the term won't help. GIMP is free software and now that it was relicensed as (L)GPL v3 it's freer than ever.
Perhaps "Free/Libre" instead of just "free" helps to avoid the confusion with "free as in beer", but we shouldn't replace or avoid the concept. It's important. And if you want to educate mainstream about what Free software is, you can make every mention of Free software a link to a page with an explanation. It's hypertext after all :)


4) There's a fine-line between staging this as a "high-end application" and "for pros". While I would agree that GIMP is indeed a high-end application, it's not an application used by "pros". To keep GIMP's marketing messages authentic, it'd be best to explain that GIMP is absolutely top-notch software, but targeted for an intermediate, mid-level user who wants to make kick-ass photos/icons/whatever.
Personally, I'd avoid both ("high end" and "for pros"). First things first: we can't do high-end manipulation with GIMP yet.
As long as we don't have high bit depth (and probably a non-destructive workflow), GIMP will be pretty harsh with our images quality and claiming it provides high-end image quality isn't acurate. Things are going to change, but atm this is what we have.
"Pro" is a tricky term too. In spanish a professional is just somebody getting a living from certain activity, which s/he performs with a reasonable grade of expertise. According that definition, anyone working with GIMP, or even MS Paint, creating stuff that looks fine and pays the bills with it is a professional.
Me, for instance. I'm a professional graphic designer using only free software. I have a Graphic Design degree, I get a living doing graphic design and my work has a reasonable quality. If you ask me if GIMP is ready for professional work, I'll say yes and I can prove it. But if I moved to a high-end market where everyone works with bleeding-edge technology, where everything is likely proprietary, probably I'd be in trouble. Saying what is and what isn't "professional" depends on the context where the work is done, and that word will have different meanings depending who reads it.
Just my 2 cents



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On 01.04.2013 21:15, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

What do you guys think?

I like the overall composition, although it will probably be a bit heavy on those rather-wide.than-tall screens.

I'm curious to see how the finished version will look like. Right now I'm missing to much of the actual content to be able to judge it.

But if this is going to be the front page, were are our news going to be?

Regards,
Michael

I like this new design. Adding a news section should be easy. Good job! I hope to see it become reality.

/#!/JoePea On Apr 1, 2013 2:55 PM, "Michael Schumacher" wrote:

On 01.04.2013 21:15, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

What do you guys think?

I like the overall composition, although it will probably be a bit heavy on those rather-wide.than-tall screens.

I'm curious to see how the finished version will look like. Right now I'm missing to much of the actual content to be able to judge it.

But if this is going to be the front page, were are our news going to be?

-- Regards,
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Ok I've changed a few things since I last posted here. In this version I've:

- Made the body static to prevent issues with different screen sizes - Fixed the buttons on certain displays - Repositioned the background images - Added hover and active states to buttons - Finished the the navigation bar - Linked everything to the current GIMP website - Fixed the spacers glitching out in IE - Fixed button images being applied more than once on WebKit browsers

Overall, I think the home page is just about done. All I have left is to:

- Style the slideshow - Add the GIMP logos
- Finish testing on different screen sizes

As for the news, according to the design the Mike proposed, the news would have to be on a separate page.

So yeah, tell me what you guys think! Any and all feedback (positive and negative) is welcome and much appreciated! Here's the link for anyone who hasn't seen it already: http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:48 PM, /#!/JoePea wrote:

I like this new design. Adding a news section should be easy. Good job! I hope to see it become reality.

/#!/JoePea On Apr 1, 2013 2:55 PM, "Michael Schumacher" wrote:

On 01.04.2013 21:15, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

What do you guys think?

I like the overall composition, although it will probably be a bit heavy on those rather-wide.than-tall screens.

I'm curious to see how the finished version will look like. Right now I'm missing to much of the actual content to be able to judge it.

But if this is going to be the front page, were are our news going to be?

-- Regards,
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Nice!

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On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

Ok I've changed a few things since I last posted here. In this version I've:

- Made the body static to prevent issues with different screen sizes - Fixed the buttons on certain displays - Repositioned the background images - Added hover and active states to buttons - Finished the the navigation bar - Linked everything to the current GIMP website - Fixed the spacers glitching out in IE - Fixed button images being applied more than once on WebKit browsers

Overall, I think the home page is just about done. All I have left is to:

- Style the slideshow - Add the GIMP logos
- Finish testing on different screen sizes

As for the news, according to the design the Mike proposed, the news would have to be on a separate page.

So yeah, tell me what you guys think! Any and all feedback (positive and negative) is welcome and much appreciated! Here's the link for anyone who hasn't seen it already: http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:48 PM, /#!/JoePea wrote:

I like this new design. Adding a news section should be easy. Good job! I hope to see it become reality.

/#!/JoePea On Apr 1, 2013 2:55 PM, "Michael Schumacher" wrote:

On 01.04.2013 21:15, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

What do you guys think?

I like the overall composition, although it will probably be a bit heavy on those rather-wide.than-tall screens.

I'm curious to see how the finished version will look like. Right now I'm missing to much of the actual content to be able to judge it.

But if this is going to be the front page, were are our news going to be?

-- Regards,
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Ok I've changed a few things since I last posted here. In this version I've:

- Made the body static to prevent issues with different screen sizes - Fixed the buttons on certain displays - Repositioned the background images - Added hover and active states to buttons - Finished the the navigation bar - Linked everything to the current GIMP website - Fixed the spacers glitching out in IE - Fixed button images being applied more than once on WebKit browsers

Overall, I think the home page is just about done. All I have left is to:

- Style the slideshow - Add the GIMP logos
- Finish testing on different screen sizes

As for the news, according to the design the Mike proposed, the news would have to be on a separate page.

So yeah, tell me what you guys think! Any and all feedback (positive and negative) is welcome and much appreciated! Here's the link for anyone who hasn't seen it already: http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/

I *really* dislike the brick wall, and don't see how it fits in with the GIMP's image. Gives me the feeling of a builder/decorator's web site, not a high end graphics editor.

If the main body is to be constranied to a particular width, then so should the head area (brick image, slide show, and menus). It looks unbalanced/top heavy on my 1600x1200 monitor.

The 'News' menu item should be named 'Home' and be the first in the menu as it links to the site root

I certainly hope Wilbur is included in the need to add logos ;-) Any GIMP web site without Wilbur would be just wrong IMHO ;-)

I like the main body. It is clean and uncluttered, making it simple to see the point of the content. Keeping the orange/tan colour for the buttons is a nice echo of the current site. --
Niel Archer
niel.archer (at) blueyonder.co.uk

I only picked the brick wall image because it was similar to the one in the design we were given. I don't plan on keeping it like that but I'm having some difficulty finding something else that fits there. Any suggestions?

I've considered constraining the header as well but never got around to doing it. I'll do it in the next update.

The navigation bar struck me as weird while I was coding it. It seemed out of order but then I remembered that with the redesign, might come a change in paths and directories of the site. I'll leave it like that for now til I know for certain what the links are going to be and if we'll even use this design.

Thanks for the feedback. It really helps a lot!

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 4, 2013, at 6:00 AM, Niel wrote:

Ok I've changed a few things since I last posted here. In this version I've:

- Made the body static to prevent issues with different screen sizes - Fixed the buttons on certain displays - Repositioned the background images - Added hover and active states to buttons - Finished the the navigation bar
- Linked everything to the current GIMP website - Fixed the spacers glitching out in IE - Fixed button images being applied more than once on WebKit browsers

Overall, I think the home page is just about done. All I have left is to:

- Style the slideshow - Add the GIMP logos
- Finish testing on different screen sizes

As for the news, according to the design the Mike proposed, the news would have to be on a separate page.

So yeah, tell me what you guys think! Any and all feedback (positive and negative) is welcome and much appreciated! Here's the link for anyone who hasn't seen it already: http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/

I *really* dislike the brick wall, and don't see how it fits in with the GIMP's image. Gives me the feeling of a builder/decorator's web site, not a high end graphics editor.

If the main body is to be constranied to a particular width, then so should the head area (brick image, slide show, and menus). It looks unbalanced/top heavy on my 1600x1200 monitor.

The 'News' menu item should be named 'Home' and be the first in the menu as it links to the site root

I certainly hope Wilbur is included in the need to add logos ;-) Any GIMP web site without Wilbur would be just wrong IMHO ;-)

I like the main body. It is clean and uncluttered, making it simple to see the point of the content. Keeping the orange/tan colour for the buttons is a nice echo of the current site. --
Niel Archer
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El 04/04/13 07:42, Kasim Ahmic escribi:

I only picked the brick wall image because it was similar to the one in the design we were given. I don't plan on keeping it like that but I'm having some difficulty finding something else that fits there. Any suggestions?

I've considered constraining the header as well but never got around to doing it. I'll do it in the next update.

The navigation bar struck me as weird while I was coding it. It seemed out of order but then I remembered that with the redesign, might come a change in paths and directories of the site. I'll leave it like that for now til I know for certain what the links are going to be and if we'll even use this design.

Thanks for the feedback. It really helps a lot!

I think the brick wall could be replaced by the same image used as background for the splash screen, with the same treatment.

Gez.

Alright, so the homepage is just about done. In this version, I've:

- Changed the background image of the header - Added the GIMP logo in the navigation bar and footer - Added the copyright text in the footer - Added orange borders above and below the body - Changed the selection background color to orange rather than blue - Removed most of the artifacts of the computer in the slideshow - Cleaned up some of the code

Now I just need help with picking a good background image for the header. It needs to be 980x480 and preferably have an orange color scheme.

http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Guillermo Espertino (Gez) < gespertino@gmail.com> wrote:

El 04/04/13 07:42, Kasim Ahmic escribió:

I only picked the brick wall image because it was similar to the one in

the design we were given. I don't plan on keeping it like that but I'm having some difficulty finding something else that fits there. Any suggestions?

I've considered constraining the header as well but never got around to doing it. I'll do it in the next update.

The navigation bar struck me as weird while I was coding it. It seemed out of order but then I remembered that with the redesign, might come a change in paths and directories of the site. I'll leave it like that for now til I know for certain what the links are going to be and if we'll even use this design.

Thanks for the feedback. It really helps a lot!

I think the brick wall could be replaced by the same image used as background for the splash screen, with the same treatment.

Gez.

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I have a 64 kb connection sometimes, and the animation is too slow. Think also to keep it light weight

Il 04/04/2013 6.55, /#!/JoePea ha scritto:

Nice!

*/#/!//*JoePea

On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Kasim Ahmic > wrote:

Ok I've changed a few things since I last posted here. In this version I've:

* Made the body static to prevent issues with different screen sizes * Fixed the buttons on certain displays * Repositioned the background images * Added hover and active states to buttons * Finished the the navigation bar * Linked everything to the current GIMP website * Fixed the spacers glitching out in IE * Fixed button images being applied more than once on WebKit browsers

Overall, I think the home page is just about done. All I have left is to:

* Style the slideshow * Add the GIMP logos
* Finish testing on different screen sizes

As for the news, according to the design the Mike proposed, the news would have to be on a separate page.

So yeah, tell me what you guys think! Any and all feedback (positive and negative) is welcome and much appreciated! Here's the link for anyone who hasn't seen it already: http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/

On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 5:48 PM, /#!/JoePea > wrote:

I like this new design. Adding a news section should be easy. Good job! I hope to see it become reality.

/#!/JoePea

On Apr 1, 2013 2:55 PM, "Michael Schumacher" > wrote:

On 01.04.2013 21:15, Kasim Ahmic wrote:

What do you guys think?

I like the overall composition, although it will probably be a bit heavy on those rather-wide.than-tall screens.

I'm curious to see how the finished version will look like. Right now I'm missing to much of the actual content to be able to judge it.

But if this is going to be the front page, were are our news going to be?

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I like the gimp (Wilbur?) Along with the logo in the top left, but I think the second Gimp below it should be taken out, because it's redundant. The first one is perfect. :D

/#!/JoePea On Apr 5, 2013 1:31 PM, "Kasim Ahmic" wrote:

Alright, so the homepage is just about done. In this version, I've:

- Changed the background image of the header - Added the GIMP logo in the navigation bar and footer - Added the copyright text in the footer - Added orange borders above and below the body - Changed the selection background color to orange rather than blue - Removed most of the artifacts of the computer in the slideshow - Cleaned up some of the code

Now I just need help with picking a good background image for the header. It needs to be 980x480 and preferably have an orange color scheme.

http://kasimahmic.koding.com/works/GIMP/

On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 9:31 AM, Guillermo Espertino (Gez) < gespertino@gmail.com> wrote:

El 04/04/13 07:42, Kasim Ahmic escribió:

I only picked the brick wall image because it was similar to the one in

the design we were given. I don't plan on keeping it like that but I'm having some difficulty finding something else that fits there. Any suggestions?

I've considered constraining the header as well but never got around to doing it. I'll do it in the next update.

The navigation bar struck me as weird while I was coding it. It seemed out of order but then I remembered that with the redesign, might come a change in paths and directories of the site. I'll leave it like that for now til I know for certain what the links are going to be and if we'll even use this design.

Thanks for the feedback. It really helps a lot!

I think the brick wall could be replaced by the same image used as background for the splash screen, with the same treatment.

Gez.

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