On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 07:38 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

Hi,

We currently have the new Tool Presets dockable dialog that has zero factory preset. Maybe we should should opulate it a bit?

Can you bind presets to keystrokes? If not, I don't think it's worth it.

A minimum of three clicks to choose a preset (assuming the dialogue is docked but not on top) means it'll only be a win for fairly specific settings, and those are more likely to depend on the user/task/project.

2011/9/5 Alexandre Prokoudine :

Hi,

We currently have the new Tool Presets dockable dialog that has zero factory preset. Maybe we should should opulate it a bit? Some cropping presets for popular photo paper formats, DVD and whatnot? Steal some presets for painting tools from G-P-S?

This is not something that blocks a 2.8 release and we badly badly need to make a release. This should wait until after 2.8.

/ Martin

2011/9/5 Alexandre Prokoudine :

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 9:00 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote:

This is not something that blocks a 2.8 release and we badly badly need to make a release. This should wait until after 2.8.

How does it prevent you from releasing 2.8?

Any feature we add at this point will delay the 2.8 release because someone needs to actually write the code, test the feature, fix bugs, take feedback into account etc. Even if we get a patch from the outside, a core developer basically needs to do all of the above except writing the initial code. With limited resources, we have to prioritize. And releasing 2.8 has higher priority than having default tool presets. We can always add those later. And with the shorter development cycles we aim for, it's not a big deal if a feature makes it into x.y or x.(y + 2).

/ Martin

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

Hi,

We currently have the new Tool Presets dockable dialog that has zero factory preset. Maybe we should should opulate it a bit?

I agree. It should have at least something in it.

Some cropping
presets for popular photo paper formats, DVD and whatnot? Steal some presets for painting tools from G-P-S?

We shoudn't probably offer straight up GPS tools, because people a likely to install gps themselves. But a few examples should be included I guess.

Oh, and will those be translatable?

Resources are not translatable by nature as far as I know. ..

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Liam R E Quin wrote:

Can you bind presets to keystrokes? If not, I don't think it's worth it.

You cant, but I cant see how thats relevant. The old tool presets always required 2 clicks, same for bringing up the dockable and selecting a preset. Now, I personally just keep the preset selector on top most of the time with tag active for currently relevant tool set. Tool presets pay off when you need to use the same tool with very different settings. Paint tools are an obvious case, but Im sure there are others. I personally have presets for the common cut 2:3 + rule of thrids guides. Its easyer to use the preset when ever I need it than to go and configure it.

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote:

Any feature we add at this point will delay the 2.8 release because someone needs to actually write the code, test the feature, fix bugs, take feedback into account etc.

Since when does adding default resources counts as a feature or involves significant amount of coding and risk of breakage? I would agree if this was a coding task. It is not. If it was, there would be something very wrong with the setup. We sort of promised our users better resources with this release but nobody has take it up... The very least we could do is to provide some defaults for the new things so people know what it does.

2011/9/5 Alexia Death :

Since when does adding default resources counts as a feature or involves significant amount of coding and risk of breakage? I would agree if this was a coding task. It is not. If it was, there would be something very wrong with the setup. We sort of promised our users better resources with this release but nobody has take it up... The very least we could do is to provide some defaults for the new things so people know what it does.

What I call "feature" is something that makes GIMP better and that we don't _have_ to do. Having default tool presets is better than not having default tool presets, but it is not something we _have_ to do before releasing 2.8, so adding default tool presets is a feature.

When I say that we should not do this to 2.8, I say that because I want us to make a 2.8 release as soon as possible. However, people are of course, as always, free to work on whatever they want to.

Regards, Martin

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote:

What I call "feature" is something that makes GIMP better and that we don't _have_ to do. Having default tool presets is better than not having default tool presets, but it is not something we _have_ to do before releasing 2.8, so adding default tool presets is a feature.

It's practically no risk coding free change. I agree, we dont have to do this before 2.8. But if someone does this, I see no reason to reject it.

When I say that we should not do this to 2.8, I say that because I want us to make a 2.8 release as soon as possible. However, people are of course, as always, free to work on whatever they want to.

Of course, but I see no reason to actively discourage resource changes at a point when we dont even have a new splash set yet...

2011/9/5 Alexia Death :

Of course, but I see no reason to actively discourage resource changes at a point when we dont even have a new splash set yet...

Well, the reason we don't have a splash is because nobody had time to get us one yet. From the point of view of making a 2.8 release happen, it would be better if you took the lead in finding a 2.8 splash rather than adding default tool presets.

But then there is the point of view of fun, and if you get a kick out of giving users default tool presets in 2.8, which is perfectly sensible, please do that. I get a kick out of trying to make a 2.8 release happen as soon as possible as well as improving the way we work so that we can shorten our release cycles, so that's what I do.

Best regards, Martin

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote:

2011/9/5 Alexia Death :

Of course, but I see no reason to actively discourage resource changes at a point when we dont even have a new splash set yet...

Well, the reason we don't have a splash is because nobody had time to get us one yet. From the point of view of making a 2.8 release happen, it would be better if you took the lead in finding a 2.8 splash rather than adding default tool presets.

I dont see how one excludes the other really...

On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 11:36 +0300, Alexia Death wrote:

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote:

2011/9/5 Alexia Death :

Of course, but I see no reason to actively discourage resource changes at a point when we dont even have a new splash set yet...

Well, the reason we don't have a splash is because nobody had time to get us one yet. From the point of view of making a 2.8 release happen, it would be better if you took the lead in finding a 2.8 splash rather than adding default tool presets.

I dont see how one excludes the other really...

That's because it doesn't.

Now can you guys stop this silly thread and move on to what gives you the kicks? :P

--Mitch

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Michael Natterer wrote:

Now can you guys stop this silly thread and move on to what gives you the kicks? :P

I think its appropriate to remind people of the preset converter, that as it stands lacks any feedback:
http://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Mindstorm:Preset_converter