@Jason Simanek: I designed the Enchanted Keyfinder website to incorporate international translations.

http://ekeyfinder.sourceforge.net/index.php?lang=en&page=download

I understand the design is not the best however I think it is a good method for handling a multilingual website. You can download the full source of the website from the download section and see how I handle the translations. I agree with Martin on waiting for 3.0 or even 2.10 to do the full website revamp but start working now on a solid design.

Sam Gleske

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Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 19:55:17 -0700 From: Carol Spears
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On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 06:52:40PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

Hi,

So I spoke to Jimmac, and he told me he has no time to do the new gimp.org. He also said *everything* has to be done. That's IMO a bit of exxageration given some work already done in static-html5 branch. However it still means we need somebody else to do the work, as both Jimmac and Andy Fitzsimon have no time to lead the project, but are ready to help with core stuff.

you should ask Jimmac a really good question about the "core" stuff like what to do about when raphael in 2004 doesn't remember where the howto was stashed by raphael in 2002 because from what i could very easily see, there is not anyone who knows how to use the "core stuff" involved with the web site at this moment in time.

determining the reason that raphael from one year did not know what raphael from another year did and if this is a good reason would be a very good place to start.

before raphael in 2002 decided that the web site had been abandoned (a determination which was not shared by all, btw) our plans for the next version of the web site included things like apt-get for plug-in installation and a registry that could manage interaction like this.

since this situation with the dual versions of raphael has been running things, we instead have a registry that thinks that it contains "extensions", among other misnomers and this is one example which is perhaps the least of the problems.

how to handle the "core stuff" is an interesting question because the web site is being used only to about 15% of its capacity (that it instantly rebuilds upon a commit) so, at the least, out of respect for previous versions of the site, if you could restrain yourself from suggesting that knowlege of the how the "core stuff" works can be gained from anyone operating (however innocently) in the post-raphael duality problem world that exists today.

carol

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Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:04:48 -0500 From: Daniela S. A. Hern?ndez
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Hello :)

I'm Daniela i live in Mexico City and i'm graphic designer. I've been working with gimp since 2009 and i love it! Well... i know there so many things to improve but i like to use gimp whenever possible.

Can i help? Here some ideas to redesign the site: http://www.elultimopiso.net/?p=288

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Message: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 20:42:19 -0700 From: Carol Spears
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On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 06:52:40PM +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

However it still means we need somebody else to do the work, as both Jimmac and Andy Fitzsimon have no time to lead the project, but are ready to help with core stuff.

one more thing. to the best of my knowlege, Andy Fitzsimon had very little to do with running the web site and the person who really really really needs to answer questions about what has been going on with the site since ~2005 is Michael Schumacher. i have some very good questions about some of the content changes that have occured since then.

carol

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Message: 4 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 06:52:29 +0200 From: Martin Nordholts
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On 04/18/2011 04:52 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

Hi,

So I spoke to Jimmac, and he told me he has no time to do the new gimp.org. He also said *everything* has to be done. That's IMO a bit of exxageration given some work already done in static-html5 branch. However it still means we need somebody else to do the work, as both Jimmac and Andy Fitzsimon have no time to lead the project, but are ready to help with core stuff.

Earlier we agreed that we want the new site to be static + JS for updating content. However I don't remember a discussion on exact content, or maybe I just missed it, because I wasn't around all the time at the meeting last LGM.

Hence three questions:

1. Do we want to stick to everything we have right now (with subsequent cleanup of FAQ and tutorials) or do we want to let go of something and/or do something new (videos?)

2. Do we already have specs for the new site? I.e. pyramidal approach to layout and suchlike?

3. Which way of finding new webdesigner and webdev should we go? Announce a contest like the one Inkscape did on DeviantArt? Just write news on gimp.org and sort through everyone who sends anything?

The whole thing is likely to take months, so we need to start *now* if we intend to have a visual refresh for 2.8.

I'd rather plan for a visual refresh for GIMP 3.0, that gives us more time and aligns with a new era of GIMP

BR, Martin

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Message: 5 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 00:25:34 -0500 From: Jason Simanek
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Carol, Alexandre and anybody who's listening,

I'm not sure about the history of the site, but it looks like the content of the primary gimp.org site is pretty straight-forward. It sounds like the general thought about the site is to avoid a CMS like WordPress. I'm not sure why, WordPress can be made to work very well, especially with a good caching plugin. WordPress would also make updating the site more accessible to other members of the Gimp developer community.

However, if a static, PHP-driven site is preferable I can do that too. But as important as how the site is built is, the design is equally important. And . . . looks like Martin Nordholts just put in his two cents about that detail . . .

I'd rather plan for a visual refresh for GIMP 3.0, that gives us more time and aligns with a new era of GIMP

BR, Martin

Redesigning the site could be a great way to prepare people for the upcoming Gimp 3. Hell, I just started using the 2.7 version and can't wait for 2.8!

In the last year I built a new site for the Gramps project (genealogy software):

Course, the design for the Gimp site would be more appropriate for Gimp, but that site is a good one, I think (though we haven't yet implemented a caching plugin). The support for internationalization is great, if you have people to write translations. The blog section where various contributors and developers can write posts is great.

Regardless, I am interested in helping out with the site. I'm always relatively busy, but I like and use Gimp and Inkscape for all of my freelance design work. I would love to have an opportunity to give back.

-Jason Simanek

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Message: 6 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 07:48:22 +0200 From: Martin Nordholts
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2011/4/19 Jason Simanek :

I'm not sure about the history of the site, but it looks like the content of the primary gimp.org site is pretty straight-forward. It sounds like the general thought about the site is to avoid a CMS like WordPress. I'm not sure why, WordPress can be made to work very well, especially with a good caching plugin. WordPress would also make updating the site more accessible to other members of the Gimp developer community.

I think the main issue is security concerns, but if we host the site on a separate machine and take regular back ups, that shouldn't be an issue. Making the site trivial to update is paramount. Maybe you could setup something quick in wordpress that people could try?

Best regards, Martin

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Message: 7 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 09:18:41 +0300 From: Alexia Death
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On Tuesday, April 19, 2011 08:48:22 Martin Nordholts wrote:

I think the main issue is security concerns, but if we host the site on a separate machine and take regular back ups, that shouldn't be an issue. Making the site trivial to update is paramount. Maybe you could setup something quick in wordpress that people could try?

I run deveral wordpress sites for my family ;) It's so simple that both my sociology master sister and artstudent sister manage to use theirs without my
help. However, there is one con that you dont see in a test installation. It's
comment section is a popular target for spammers(I dont know if the whole facility can be turned off) and due to widespreaded use, if there is a vulnerability it gets exploited very very fast. These are the two things you
need to be prepared for with wordpress, spam and constant updates to avoid getting defaced. If updates can be automated somehow that would just leave spam.

Another downside is separate usermanagement

Benefits are great however. You get a truly dynamic site that is easy to update
:)

Best,
Alexia

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Message: 8 Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 08:33:37 +0200 From: Martin Nordholts
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2011/4/19 Alexia Death :

On Tuesday, April 19, 2011 08:48:22 Martin Nordholts wrote:

I think the main issue is security concerns, but if we host the site on a separate machine and take regular back ups, that shouldn't be an issue. Making the site trivial to update is paramount. Maybe you could setup something quick in wordpress that people could try?

I run deveral wordpress sites for my family ;) It's so simple that both

my

sociology master sister and artstudent sister manage to use theirs

without my

help. However, there is one con that you dont see in a test installation.

It's

comment section is a popular target for spammers(I dont know if the whole facility can be turned off) and due to widespreaded use, if there is a vulnerability it gets exploited very very fast. These are the two things

you

need to be prepared for with wordpress, spam and constant updates to

avoid

getting defaced. If updates can be automated somehow that would just

leave

spam.

Doesn't even requiring a login or captchas prevent this spam? If not and spam become a big problem, maybe we have to disable comments altogether. At least we'll have a website that is easy to update.

/ Martin

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Wow, that's cool. I hope you get on the project. :D

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2011/4/18 Daniela S. A. Hernández

Hello :)

I'm Daniela i live in Mexico City and i'm graphic designer. I've been working with gimp since 2009 and i love it! Well... i know there so many things to improve but i like to use gimp whenever possible.

Can i help? Here some ideas to redesign the site: http://www.elultimopiso.net/?p=288

Have a nice week

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Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:04:48 -0500 From: Daniela S. A. Hern?ndez
Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] Gimp-web Digest, Vol 71, Issue 1 To: gimp-web@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu

Hello :)

I'm Daniela i live in Mexico City and i'm graphic designer. I've been working with gimp since 2009 and i love it! Well... i know there so many things to improve but i like to use gimp whenever possible.

Can i help? Here some ideas to redesign the site: http://www.elultimopiso.net/?p=288

Have a nice week

Not sure how it happened that this mail was never received here. Nevertheless...

In case the team has a voting whether we want a contest, I'd like you to participate.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

I vote for Daniela!

-= Joe Pea =-

On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine < alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com> wrote:

Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 22:04:48 -0500 From: Daniela S. A. Hern?ndez
Subject: Re: [Gimp-web] Gimp-web Digest, Vol 71, Issue 1 To: gimp-web@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu

Hello :)

I'm Daniela i live in Mexico City and i'm graphic designer. I've been working with gimp since 2009 and i love it! Well... i know there so many things to improve but i like to use gimp whenever possible.

Can i help? Here some ideas to redesign the site: http://www.elultimopiso.net/?p=288

Have a nice week

Not sure how it happened that this mail was never received here. Nevertheless...

In case the team has a voting whether we want a contest, I'd like you to participate.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org
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