On 13.06.2010 18:38, Jack K. wrote:

What possible value could there be to further developing the GIMP application when ordinary users cannot use it because the HELP documentation cannot be made to install and then work in Windows?

Huh? As far as I know, the help is installable on Windows and works fine.

Michael

Michael Schumacher skreiv:

On 13.06.2010 18:38, Jack K. wrote:

What possible value could there be to further developing the GIMP application when ordinary users cannot use it because the HELP documentation cannot be made to install and then work in Windows?

Huh? As far as I know, the help is installable on Windows and works fine.

Michael

Yes, but unlike most Windows applications, you have to do the installation yourself. The proses is a bit unusual to Windows users, quite common to Linux users.

Download the wanted help file to your computer from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help/. The .bz2 file is a zipped file. Unzip it using your zip program.
In the GIMP folder share/gimp/2.0 create a folder named help. Copy the two letters language folder in the unzipped catalog to the help folder. (The other files is of no use in this case). In my version of Windows the full path in my computer is .../share/gimp/2.0/help/nn.

BTW: Somebody know why is the help files in http://www.gimp.org/docs/ are not updated? The Norwegian help files is still pointing to http://www.gimp.org/docs/2.6/no which is not updated anymore and do not exist in the git.gnome.org/gimp-help-2 repository. Instead it should be pointing to .../2.6/nn which exists in the repository. Kolbjoern

Kolbjørn Stuestøl skreiv:

Michael Schumacher skreiv:

On 13.06.2010 18:38, Jack K. wrote:

What possible value could there be to further developing the GIMP application when ordinary users cannot use it because the HELP documentation cannot be made to install and then work in Windows?

Huh? As far as I know, the help is installable on Windows and works fine.

Michael

Yes, but unlike most Windows applications, you have to do the installation yourself. The proses is a bit unusual to Windows users, quite common to Linux users.

Download the wanted help file to your computer from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help/. The .bz2 file is a zipped file. Unzip it using your zip program.
In the GIMP folder share/gimp/2.0 create a folder named help. Copy the two letters language folder in the unzipped catalog to the help folder. (The other files is of no use in this case). In my version of Windows the full path in my computer is .../share/gimp/2.0/help/nn.

BTW: Somebody know why is the help files in http://www.gimp.org/docs/ are not updated? The Norwegian help files is still pointing to http://www.gimp.org/docs/2.6/no which is not updated anymore and do not exist in the git.gnome.org/gimp-help-2 repository. Instead it should be pointing to .../2.6/nn which exists in the repository. Kolbjoern

I forgot: Neither the ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help/ is updated for any language.
Kolbjoern

On 6/14/10, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

Huh? As far as I know, the help is installable on Windows and works fine.

Yes, but unlike most Windows applications, you have to do the installation yourself.

Unlike most Windows applications full size of GIMP Help installer is far over 100MB, and Windows applications like GIMP are anyway usually sold in boxes on CDs or DVDs.

This has already been discussed in gimp-developer@. One of the solutions is to create such an installer of GIMP that will ask what help package(s) a user needs, download it/them and install.

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

Von: "Kolbjørn Stuestøl"

Yes, but unlike most Windows applications, you have to do the installation yourself.

Well yes, it is another installer, but provided on the same page as the GIMP installers: http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html

HTH, Michael

Michael Schumacher skreiv:

Von: "Kolbjørn Stuestøl"

Yes, but unlike most Windows applications, you have to do the installation yourself.

Well yes, it is another installer, but provided on the same page as the GIMP installers: http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/stable.html

HTH, Michael

Yes, you are right. Even simpler as this help files is contributed in an installer (and are using the correct language code for "nn"). But these files too are outdated. (October the 1st 2009). Where do the average user find the updated files?
Kolbjoern

On 14.06.2010 20:36, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

Yes, you are right. Even simpler as this help files is contributed in an installer (and are using the correct language code for "nn"). But these files too are outdated. (October the 1st 2009). Where do the average user find the updated files?

They find them in new installers created for newer releases of the GIMP user manual. At the moment, 2.6.0 is the most current release available from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help

If you want more up-to-date docs, make sure that there is a more up-to-date release (FTP space should be less of an issue soon).

HTH, Michael

Michael Schumacher skreiv:

On 14.06.2010 20:36, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

Yes, you are right. Even simpler as this help files is contributed in an installer (and are using the correct language code for "nn"). But these files too are outdated. (October the 1st 2009). Where do the average user find the updated files?

They find them in new installers created for newer releases of the GIMP user manual. At the moment, 2.6.0 is the most current release available from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help

If you want more up-to-date docs, make sure that there is a more up-to-date release (FTP space should be less of an issue soon).

HTH, Michael

These files too are the same outdated ones. (October the 1st & 2nd 2009) So the question is: When will they be updated?

Kolbjoern

Kolbjørn Stuestøl skreiv:

Michael Schumacher skreiv:

On 14.06.2010 20:36, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

Yes, you are right. Even simpler as this help files is contributed in an installer (and are using the correct language code for "nn"). But these files too are outdated. (October the 1st 2009). Where do the average user find the updated files?

They find them in new installers created for newer releases of the GIMP user manual. At the moment, 2.6.0 is the most current release available from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help

If you want more up-to-date docs, make sure that there is a more up-to-date release (FTP space should be less of an issue soon).

HTH, Michael

These files too are the same outdated ones. (October the 1st & 2nd 2009) So the question is: When will they be updated?

Kolbjoern

A few seconds after sending my mail, Sven's mail popped up. Think this is the answer to my question.
Sorry Sven, I am not able to do the job. Lack of knowledge and capacity on my internet connection.
Kolbjoern

On 14.06.2010 23:37, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

Michael Schumacher skreiv:

They find them in new installers created for newer releases of the GIMP user manual. At the moment, 2.6.0 is the most current release available from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help

If you want more up-to-date docs, make sure that there is a more up-to-date release (FTP space should be less of an issue soon).

These files too are the same outdated ones. (October the 1st & 2nd 2009)

Yes, because this is the same 2.6.0 release.

So the question is: When will they be updated?

Is there a 2.6.1 release of the help files?

Regards, Michael

On Mon, 2010-06-14 at 23:37 +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

Michael Schumacher skreiv:

On 14.06.2010 20:36, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote:

Yes, you are right. Even simpler as this help files is contributed in an installer (and are using the correct language code for "nn"). But these files too are outdated. (October the 1st 2009). Where do the average user find the updated files?

They find them in new installers created for newer releases of the GIMP user manual. At the moment, 2.6.0 is the most current release available from ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/help

If you want more up-to-date docs, make sure that there is a more up-to-date release (FTP space should be less of an issue soon).

HTH, Michael

These files too are the same outdated ones. (October the 1st & 2nd 2009) So the question is: When will they be updated?

Just read the mail from Michael again. If you want your changes to be turned into easily installable packages, then your team needs to make releases more frequently. No-one is going to package the documentation from a git snapshot. You need to decide when the git tree is in a good shape and roll out a gimp-help release. Then the packagers will pick it up and deliver it to the users.

Sven