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GIMP website [was GIMP T-shirts in our online store] LightningIsMyName 09 Jun 20:43
  GIMP website [was GIMP T-shirts in our online store] Alexandre Prokoudine 09 Jun 20:53
  GIMP website [was GIMP T-shirts in our online store] Michael Schumacher 09 Jun 21:06
   GIMP website [was GIMP T-shirts in our online store] Alexia Death 09 Jun 21:14
LightningIsMyName
2010-06-09 20:43:58 UTC (over 14 years ago)

GIMP website [was GIMP T-shirts in our online store]

Hello,

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

One of the things discussed at LGM was moving all project's domain and subdomains to a single dedicated server. We have a person willing to do the migration and a person to create a new website.

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

We're currently unable to update the website (if you have a look at the index page, even the release announcements aren't up to date).

Until this is resolved, we won't be able to add, edit or remove anything to, on or from www.gimp.org.

After reading this, I have to ask: what?! I was indeed wondering why the website isn't being updated at all (release new unstable gimp builds, or at least give some note that this project is alive).
I think that we can learn a bit from the inkscape website about this - they update the main page even when it's not to announce about the release of some XXX stuff. They update the website to inform about confrences (LGM, SVG Open), about the current status of the project (we completed XXX, and XXX bugs remain to the next version), and about major events like Google summer of code (We haven't even announced on the main website that we are looking for students!).

At least to me, this seems a bit urgent. A project which is being developed is not going to be used without a way to contact the "outside" world (in our case, a website). Some of my collegues laugh at the fact that I try to contribute to GIMP, and say that it's a waste of time. I do believe that if the project wouldn't have looked "dead", to people from the outside, for 8 months (this is the period since the last website update), people would estimate the project more.
I think that one of the things that can help to make GIMP look better for the users, is to make them see that something is indeed moving, and it's undoubtfully should be somewhere on the top TODOs. As developers, we may live very well without these updates to the main website, since we work on the projects not because someone is telling us, but for ourselves. But, we mustn't forget the open-source is also for the community, and so we should consider the community in our decisions and TODOs.

For those of you who know the Blender project, and the BlenderNation website, I do believe that we need some sort of blog/new site which are connected one to the other. BlenderNation is a community based site which updates regularly from the developer meetings/notes, and the offical blender website also shows headlines from blendernation. The closest thing that I found for GIMP, is http://meetthegimp.org/ which looks pretty good (although I haven't been visiting this site before, so I can't tell for sure). They do seem to update about developments and they seem like the most constantly updated website.

Seriously, updating the website should be somewhere at the top of the TODO list (not the most important, but definetly important). Alexandre Prokoudine mentioned something about someone who wants to update the website, and we also received some suggestion to the mailing list a few weeks ago. I also am willing to contribute content to the new website when it'll be set up (my web-development skills do need more polish before I can actually contribute to build a new webste).

LightningIsMyName

Alexandre Prokoudine
2010-06-09 20:53:01 UTC (over 14 years ago)

GIMP website [was GIMP T-shirts in our online store]

On 6/9/10, LightningIsMyName wrote:

I think that we can learn a bit from the inkscape website about this - they update the main page even when it's not to announce about the release of some XXX stuff. They update the website to inform about confrences (LGM, SVG Open), about the current status of the project (we completed XXX, and XXX bugs remain to the next version), and about major events like Google summer of code (We haven't even announced on the main website that we are looking for students!).

Thank you :) I offered same service to GIMP team once the new website is ready for news submission. I've been writing a weekly review of changes in Git for gimp.ru anyway since December, so it's not any kind of a burden.

For those of you who know the Blender project, and the BlenderNation website, I do believe that we need some sort of blog/new site which are connected one to the other.

http://layers.gimp.org used to be GIMP developers blog planet. It wasn't much alive back in the days when it was working, but it's up to us, no? :)

P.S. Should we switch the thread to gimp-web@ only?

Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org

Michael Schumacher
2010-06-09 21:06:37 UTC (over 14 years ago)

GIMP website [was GIMP T-shirts in our online store]

On 09.06.2010 20:43, LightningIsMyName wrote:

Hello,

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

One of the things discussed at LGM was moving all project's domain and subdomains to a single dedicated server. We have a person willing to do the migration and a person to create a new website.

On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:50 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

We're currently unable to update the website (if you have a look at the index page, even the release announcements aren't up to date).

Until this is resolved, we won't be able to add, edit or remove anything to, on or from www.gimp.org.

After reading this, I have to ask: what?!

To elaborate on this:

1. the gimp web site is maintained in the gimp-web module of GNOME's Git 2. anyone can pull it from there, change pages and create patches, people with Git write access can push them directly 3. the gimp web server pulls from git, runs make and create static html pages with the updated content
4. step 3 is broken at the moment
5. step 3 is broken because there's no active maintainer for the server

Regards, Michael

Alexia Death
2010-06-09 21:14:02 UTC (over 14 years ago)

GIMP website [was GIMP T-shirts in our online store]

On Wednesday, June 09, 2010 22:06:37 Michael Schumacher wrote:

To elaborate on this:

1. the gimp web site is maintained in the gimp-web module of GNOME's Git 2. anyone can pull it from there, change pages and create patches, people with Git write access can push them directly 3. the gimp web server pulls from git, runs make and create static html pages with the updated content
4. step 3 is broken at the moment
5. step 3 is broken because there's no active maintainer for the server

And Ive been one of the two people to put my hand up to fix that. But it will take a little bit more time. It doesn't help matters that the second person, who promised to handle the bureaucracy involved lives in Brazil, exactly opposite time phase activity wise. And also since coming back from LGM Ive been a bit sick and busy catching up with work. But I will try to get that ball rolling as soon as possible.

-- Alexia