On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 12:38:57AM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote:

The page:

http://docs.gimp.org/index.html

states: "Please visit our Downloads page for stable releases and PDF snapshots."

but it seems that there are not any pdf snapshots whatsoever...

Well there are PDF releases for GIMP 2.4 and 2.2

Since from time to time someone ask me about those, is it possible to build a copy of the manual in that format every month or so?

As far as I know, the PDF creation is b0rked after we moved to gettext support. We have to fix that first in order to create PDFs again. But I could be possibly wrong and Ulf knows more about this issue.

Cheers,

Hi Ulf,

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 12:52:58PM +0200, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote:

Roman Joost (Wednesday, 02. June 2010)

As far as I know, the PDF creation is b0rked after we moved to gettext support. We have to fix that first in order to create PDFs again. But I could be possibly wrong and Ulf knows more about this issue.

It seems that building a Russian PDF is broken (I think it's a dblatex problem and has nothing to do with gettext). But making a German PDF worked fine.

Yes indeed as Marco already pointed out too. Awesome!!!

So maybe you should just try to build PDFs for some languages and see what happens...

I've now prepared PDFs, but there is not enough hard disk space left on wilber :(

I've to talk to Sven what to do. Alternatively do we still need to provide the PDFs for GIMP 2.2?

Cheers,

Hi Marco,

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:50:12PM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote:

Thanks to the Ulf wonderful work, now the entire bulding process work flawlessly (as far as I can see) and I'll try even to automate it.

I would have loved to install a buildbot on wilber, which creates nightly builds of the user manual (and other formats). Unfortunately wilber doesn't provide enough resources to do that :(

If you need a hand to do the same on the reference site, I'll be glad to help.

Thanks!!!

Another idea is that it could be nice if the docs site could be internationalized... that will be wonderfull and, obviously, I am here to help for the italian translation.

I thought we started that. The website is in the gimp-help-2 module under web. Translating it shouldn't be difficult. We already have all the stuff needed to translate the XML.

See my reply to Ulf about the update of PDFs.

Cheers,

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Roman Joost wrote:

Hi Marco,

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:50:12PM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote:

Thanks to the Ulf wonderful work, now the entire bulding process work flawlessly (as far as I can see) and I'll try even to automate it.

I would have loved to install a buildbot on wilber, which creates nightly builds of the user manual (and other formats). Unfortunately wilber doesn't provide enough resources to do that :(

Hi Roman -
one of the subjects on our BoF session was just about getting ourselves enough hardware resources to be confotable. I am to researhc wether we could use gnome.org servers or rent servers on our own (gimp).

So, what resources do you think we'd need for a docs built bot (in the plans is, of course, to have an automated GIMP build running oftenly as well )

If you need a hand to do the same on the reference site, I'll be glad to help.

Thanks!!!

Another idea is that it could be nice if the docs site could be internationalized... that will be wonderfull and, obviously, I am here to help for the italian translation.

I thought we started that. The website is in the gimp-help-2 module under web. Translating it shouldn't be difficult. We already have all the stuff needed to translate the XML.

See my reply to Ulf about the update of PDFs.

Cheers, --
Roman Joost
www: http://www.romanofski.de
email: romanofski@gimp.org

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On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 11:48:58PM -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:

On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Roman Joost wrote:

Hi Marco,

On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:50:12PM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote:

Thanks to the Ulf wonderful work, now the entire bulding process work flawlessly (as far as I can see) and I'll try even to automate it.

I would have loved to install a buildbot on wilber, which creates nightly builds of the user manual (and other formats). Unfortunately wilber doesn't provide enough resources to do that :(

Hi Roman -
one of the subjects on our BoF session was just about getting ourselves enough hardware resources to be confotable. I am to researhc wether we could use gnome.org servers or rent servers on our own (gimp).

So, what resources do you think we'd need for a docs built bot (in the plans is, of course, to have an automated GIMP build running oftenly as well )

I think it'll be merely disk space what we need for releases and snapshots. The buildbot could "make" a nightly update of the current snapshot of the HTML version.

So, if you need some numbers, a partition/folder with at least 1GB of free hard disk space would be a good start and IMHO it would make sense if we could share the buildbot with the developers.

Cheers,

Hi Roman -
one of the subjects on our BoF session was just about getting...

Extract from Wikipedia: "BoF or BOF is an acronym for:" and I count 22 different possibilities, not a single one making sense in this context.

that will be wonderful and, obviously, I am here to help for the italian translation.

I am a native Dutch speaker and, being Belgian, near-native French speaker, and English has no secrets for me. And German I will translate in any of the three others. If translating documentation comes up, I have perhaps some time to spend at helping on it.

But please dear friends forgive me for not being a full-fledged computer nerd. Nor a near professional GIMP-user.

André Anckaert Waregemstraat 10
B 8792 DESSELGEM

I asked Wikipedia what "dblatex" was and it answered:

Did you mean: dilated ??

André Anckaert Waregemstraat 10
B 8792 DESSELGEM

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: gimp-docs-bounces@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU [mailto:gimp-docs-bounces@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU] Namens Ulf-D. Ehlert Verzonden: vrijdag 4 juni 2010 13:12 Aan: gimp-docs@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Onderwerp: Re: [Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?

Roman Joost (Friday, 04. June 2010)

I've now prepared PDFs,

Warning: after an update to dblatex 3.0 my PDFs didn't contain any images. So if you are also using dblatex 3.0, please check your PDFs. Rebuild your PDFs after pulling my last changes, if necessary.

but there is not enough hard disk space left on wilber :(

No problem. I'll donate 1 Byte:

[ ] 1 Byte for Wilber

Always willing to help! ;-)

Ulf

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:31 PM, Andre Anckaert wrote:

Hi Roman -
one of the subjects on our BoF session was just about getting...

Extract from Wikipedia: "BoF or BOF is an acronym for:" and I count 22 different possibilities, not a single one making sense in this context. But please dear friends forgive me for not being a full-fledged computer nerd. Nor a near professional GIMP-user.

"Birds of feather" is not computer jargon.

Hi Andre :-)

Maybe wikipedia is not the bets place for some definitions.

For BoF the meaning is "birds of a feather" meetings - and they are on the official LGM program here:
http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2010/

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Andre Anckaert wrote:

I asked Wikipedia what "dblatex" was and it answered:

Did you mean: dilated ??

André Anckaert Waregemstraat 10
B 8792 DESSELGEM

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: gimp-docs-bounces@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU [mailto:gimp-docs-bounces@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU] Namens Ulf-D. Ehlert Verzonden: vrijdag 4 juni 2010 13:12 Aan: gimp-docs@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Onderwerp: Re: [Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?

Roman Joost (Friday, 04. June 2010)

I've now prepared PDFs,

Warning: after an update to dblatex 3.0 my PDFs didn't contain any images. So if you are also using dblatex 3.0, please check your PDFs. Rebuild your PDFs after pulling my last changes, if necessary.

but there is not enough hard disk space left on wilber :(

No problem. I'll donate 1 Byte:

[ ] 1 Byte for Wilber

Always willing to help! ;-)

Ulf

Thanks everybody for the info. But indeed BoF is on Wikipedia, I just did not find it right away:

Birds of a Feather (computing)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As is LGM. And if they are not computer jargon, they at least are next of kin.

Of course I went to schools, long before computers existed. I just mean to say that, if someone would like something translated from English, French, German, to Dutch I might well give it a try. Provided I can use vi, or Notepad, or Wordpad, or MS-Word, or poedit, or perhaps Kompozer. And provided it is about something I appreciate like Tux Paint, or GIMP, or Inkscape, or Blender...

André Anckaert Waregemstraat 10
B 8792 DESSELGEM

Hi Andre :-)

Maybe wikipedia is not the bets place for some definitions.

For BoF the meaning is "birds of a feather" meetings - and they are on the official LGM program here:
http://www.libregraphicsmeeting.org/2010/

On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 8:59 AM, Andre Anckaert wrote:

I asked Wikipedia what "dblatex" was and it answered:

Did you mean: dilated ??

Herzlichsten Dank, Ulf.

André Anckaert Waregemstraat 10
B 8792 DESSELGEM

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: gimp-docs-bounces@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU [mailto:gimp-docs-bounces@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU] Namens Ulf-D. Ehlert Verzonden: vrijdag 4 juni 2010 19:58 Aan: gimp-docs@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu Onderwerp: Re: [Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?

Andre Anckaert (Friday, 04. June 2010)

I asked Wikipedia what "dblatex" was and it answered:

Did you mean: dilated ??

http://dblatex.sourceforge.net

Ulf

On Thu, 2010-06-17 at 23:26 +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote:

So, if you need some numbers, a partition/folder with at least 1GB of free hard disk space would be a good start and IMHO it would make sense if we could share the buildbot with the developers.

Any news in this regard? If we need some space on a remote site I think it is not so expensive nowadays...and I'll be glad to contribute in this regard...

We are (slowly) moving all gimp.org services to the machine that hosts www.gimp.org. That should solve all disk space issues we had for docs.gimp.org and ftp.gimp.org.

Sven