On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Nicolas Robidoux wrote:

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/gimp-to-be-removed-lucid.html

Did you see any links that prove this? Well, I didn't :) Neither most relevant ubuntu mailing lists provide any background.

The idea has been floating around for a while, mind you.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RemoveGimp

Alexandre

On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 21:38 +0300, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/gimp-to-be-removed-lucid.html

Did you see any links that prove this? Well, I didn't :) Neither most relevant ubuntu mailing lists provide any background.

I have been in that session and can confirm it.

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Thorsten Wilms wrote:

I have been in that session and can confirm it.

OK, but what session? At UDS?

Alexandre

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Thorsten Wilms  wrote:

I have been in that session and can confirm it.

OK, but what session? At UDS?

Yes, friend of mine was tehre, confirmed it too. (btw, it evenshowed up in slashdot).

IMHO, stupidiest decision ever - they _want_ their users to be dumb and continue that way. As for me, up to today I used to recomend ubuntu to people I presented Free Software. (despite some ongoing really great flaws, like translating the name of special user folders such as Desktop and Documents). Now, with the promise of a GIMPless Ubuntu, I will burn some other distro for people to taste Linux and Free Software.

Alexandre

On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote:

On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Thorsten Wilms wrote:

I have been in that session and can confirm it.

OK, but what session? At UDS?

Yes, friend of mine was tehre, confirmed it too. (btw, it evenshowed up in slashdot).

IMHO, stupidiest decision ever - they _want_ their users to be dumb and continue that way. As for me, up to today I used to recomend ubuntu to people I presented Free Software. (despite some ongoing really great flaws, like translating the name of special user folders such as Desktop and Documents). Now, with the promise of a GIMPless Ubuntu, I will burn some other distro for people to taste Linux and Free Software.

Give a try to Debian, the netinst version http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ You need a decent Internet connection, but the available room on a CD is no longer a problem, and GIMP is present, of course. After all, Ubuntu is based on Debian, why not stick to the original, rather than to deviant copy?

Joao wrote:

Yes, friend of mine was tehre, confirmed it too. (btw, it evenshowed up in slashdot).

IMHO, stupidiest decision ever - they _want_ their users to be dumb and continue that way.

well guys, GIMP has the vision to be a high-end/expert application, so we should not be amazed that a general OS distribution drops us off the finite-space disk.

I see it as ubuntu giving us the respect we deserve.

--ps

founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works

http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture

On Thu, 2009-11-19 at 13:22 -0500, Nicolas Robidoux wrote:

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/11/gimp-to-be-removed-lucid.html

That is pretty much in-line with our product vision. GIMP is a high-end application for professionals. It is not the tool that you would advise every user to use for their casual photo editing. And as far as I understand this, it's not that GIMP would not be available for Ubuntu users. It's simply not installed by default.

Sven

On 11/20/09, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote:

IMHO, stupidiest decision ever - they _want_ their users to be dumb and continue that way. As for me, up to today I used to recomend ubuntu to people I presented Free Software. (despite some ongoing really great flaws, like translating the name of special user folders such as Desktop and Documents). Now, with the promise of a GIMPless Ubuntu, I will burn some other distro for people to taste Linux and Free Software.

Joao,

Canonical also never shipped Ubuntu with Ardour or Cinelerra or Blender -- all apps aimed at professionals. People who need serious software for media production have choice, be it 64studio or Ubuntu Studio or half a dozen of other distributions.

What most Linux users really need is something like Picasa or iPhoto -- to easily import a bunch of pics, color-correct them and publish online. Using GIMP for fixing red-eyes or straightening horizon is an overkill. So if this choice will motivate someone to improve F-Spot, Solang, Shotwell or IntiPinku, who is to lose? :)

Alexandre