Greetings,

We are FreeWear.org, we print and sell t-shirts with FOSS designs (Linux distros, desktops environments, etc) and donate to each organization a percentage of each sold article. We usually sell via website, but we can also be found in local FOSS-related events. We also cover special orders, like commemorative t-shirts for events.

We've been conducting a poll about which T-shirts our customers want, and looks like GIMP is the most popular one (besides Ubuntu), so we'd like to improve our catalog with some GIMP stuff.

We've taken the liberty of making some simple designs based on Wilber:

http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/propuesta_gimp.png

There are some possibilities that look cool, and we would love to have some feedback on which design (A, B, C or D) and tee color (white or black) look best to you. Also, is the font okay? Is there any better font available out there for a GIMP logo?

We'd be happy to know what you think :)

About donations: With other organizations like Gnome or KDE, we've agreed that they link our website from theirs and we donate 3€ for each sold 14€ t-shirt. If you don't want to place a link, you'd still receive some donation to thank you for letting us use your logo and name, but no fixed amount.

You can find our website in http://www.freewear.org/

Regards, Ismael Barros

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Alexia Death wrote:

A - no mouth and a bad squint... Bleh. B - still a bad squint. naah
C - best option
D - also good but a bit too much contrast with the bg

Nice, I'll let our artist know, thanks

I might actually buy one, when they are available.

Once we chose a model, I guess we can have them ready in a week or two. I'll announce them in this thread.

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:35 PM, wrote:

Emil Assarsson wrote:

I have to say that I like B best. The ears are not that pointy and the lines are smoother.
The mouth is good but the shape could be a little bit more rhythmic with the other lines. Maybe to wide? I like the wackiness of the uneven sized eyes that gives the impression of a happiness close to madness ;-) It's better than the staring eyes of C & D. The warmer orange brown is nicer than the grayish.

I think that the black or white text is best because it balance that big black nose more.

Great work!

-- Emil

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Ismael Barros² wrote:

Greetings,

We are FreeWear.org, we print and sell t-shirts with FOSS designs (Linux distros, desktops environments, etc) and donate to each organization a percentage of each sold article. We usually sell via website, but we can also be found in local FOSS-related events. We also cover special orders, like commemorative t-shirts for events.

We've been conducting a poll about which T-shirts our customers want, and looks like GIMP is the most popular one (besides Ubuntu), so we'd like to improve our catalog with some GIMP stuff.

We've taken the liberty of making some simple designs based on Wilber:

http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/propuesta_gimp.png

&m2c;

A unfinished ; B a joke ; C grey looks OK on black with white outline. D similarly looks better with outline.

C,D mouth too big , too near to edge.

Thanks a lot for the hints

There are some possibilities that look cool, and we would love to have some feedback on which design (A, B, C or D) and tee color (white or black) look best to you. Also, is the font okay? Is there any better font available out there for a GIMP logo?

We'd be happy to know what you think :)

About donations: With other organizations like Gnome or KDE, we've agreed that they link our website from theirs and we donate 3€ for each sold 14€ t-shirt. If you don't want to place a link, you'd still receive some donation to thank you for letting us use your logo and name, but no fixed amount.

Did I miss part of this discussion or is this what you regard as asking for permission to use the name and logo for some arbitrary unspecified sum? The wording suggests you will decide what you "donate".

Usually we formally ask for permission to use the names and logos for our T-shirts, but in this case I've interpreted in http://gimp.org/about/merchandise.html that permission is implicit, and contact is appreciated:

If you intend to produce and sell GIMP-related merchandise such as tee-shirts, pins or other gadets, we would appreciate being contacted before you create any modified version of artwork featured on this site such as Wilber, the GIMP mascot.

I just assumed there would be no problem with the permission and moved on to the design phase.

Maybe this permission was sought elsewhere. My apologies if that's the case.

Not that you've spent a lot of time on the design but shouldn't this start with saying you have customers willing to pay $14 and how much would the project team accept for your profiting from their name and hard work?

We try to be egalitarian with all the organizations, and not to pay one of them more than to the others, if we have the same kind of agreement. That's why we tell every organization to donate them 3€ per T-shirt if they are willing to link our website from their website (like most of our customers do), and to donate them what we can/want if they don't (like Debian).

Anyway, we're always open to negotiation.

I would think anyone paying $14 may imagine they are donating  the profit on the sale to the project.

It seems like the $3 is a sales donation for a direct link leading to a sale. Do you also make a donation if a Gimp referal leads to you selling a Ubuntu shirt ? How is all this followed.

It is not followed. I think it would be an overkill. What would be correct, to pay the organization only if the T-shirt is bought after having followed the link from the organization's website? I think that would be wrong on many levels, better to keep it simple.

I am not a member of the gimp team but I think you owe a bit more clarity and respect to those who's FREE work and brand prestige you wish to cash in on.

And we totally respect their work and effort. So far, the deal I've proposed for the Gimp is exactly the same deal we've proposed to all the other organizations we work with, and so far they've considered it fair. It doesn't imply any risk for them (only for us, if the T-shirts are not sold we lose money), except for a bad design that gives bad publicity (and that's why we always make sure each design is okay before selling it) and it gives them the possibility for some income, besides the merchandise and publicity.

Maybe you would like to explain better how your accountability for attributing sales and donations works. To and outsider it seems a bit opaque.

It's as simple as I've posted in the first email. For each sold T-shirt we will donate $donation euros to The Gimp. If The Gimp team agrees to link us from their website $donation will be 3€, and if they don't we'll estimate what we can donate, but we'd always try to make some donation, we want to support the organizations we work with. If any specific detail needs to be clarified or modified, let me know.

I'm sure it's just your small scale , easy-going way but the good manners of going about things the right way never hurts.

Nice carousel you have for printing BTW. If all your shirts are 5 colour hand printed screen prints you should put that up front. It would help justify the price tag.

Heh, right, it's a bit of a pain, we're trying to expand to other techniques so we can offer cheaper T-shirts, and more models.

Regards, Ismael

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 7:04 PM, Chris Mohler wrote:

On Sun, Oct 25, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Omari Stephens wrote:

Guillermo Espertino wrote:

Ismael:
I don't know the official position about this, but I think that the Wilber image you used looks pretty dated. I'd use the Tango version or the icon for Mac that Jimmac designed. They look much better and as far as I could see, the Tango version is being used for GIMP since 2.4

http://macin.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/gimp-icon-512x512.png http://jimmac.musichall.cz/images/blog/gimp-mac.png

Gradients are hard and expensive to do on T-shirts.  Most t-shirts are screen printed, which means that distinct colors are layed down one at a time. Usually, there is no blending.

I do t-shirts with gradient/blending all of the time - it's not any more expensive, but it can be trickier to set up and print.  The main thing I see w/those PNGs is that they are too low-res for a full-front print:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/45/The_GIMP_icon_-_gnome.svg

That's with transfer/sublimation or with screen printing? We use this: http://www.freewear.org/images/navigation/compiling/compiling_xr.jpg With our technique what Omari Stephens states is true, that's why we always try to remove gradients and to minimize the number of colors of each design.

Additionally, because colors are added one-at-a-time, adding colors directly increases the production time and cost of the shirt.

Very true ;)

Chris

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 2:18 AM, Chris Mohler wrote:

Heh - I've pulled a manual halftone screen before, and I assure you that _with my own eyes_ I have witnessed a woman screening four-color process *manually*.  Onto sweatshirts.  Now I would never recommend 4CP on a manual press, but it can be done ;-) And a halftone gradient with 2 or 3 spot colors is really not that hard once you've nailed the halftone size/shape/angle, screen mesh, and exposure time.

Woah. Impressive. We've heard it could be done, but thought it was some kind of urban legend!

On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Ismael Barros² wrote:

We've taken the liberty of making some simple designs based on Wilber:

http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/propuesta_gimp.png

I don't really like any of the Wilbers shown there. Maybe you can come up with some proposals featuring the more recent Wilber versions?

Our artist gave it a try:

http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/gimp_base.png http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/gimp_base.svg

Anyway we've been talking about it and we think you guys could do it better. How about a little competition?

If you're willing, we can setup a competition so you can send me your designs to my email or to this list. Then I'd setup a little poll to vote for the best designs, and the winner design would get sold at Freewear.

Rewards for the winner: two free T-shirts (one with his design, and another one (s)he likes from our catalog), and a special mention in the T-shirt page with a link to his blog/gallery/portfolio if he wants.

The design constraints are imposed by the screen-printing technique: 3 colors per design (we could print more, but we'd rather avoid it as the T-shirt would be more expensive: a 2 or 3 colors T-shirt is 16€ and a 4 colors one is 18€), no gradients, no too small details. If we have to tune the winner design to make it printable we'll contact with the designer.

We'd like to have the T-shirt ready for Christmas, so the deadlines would be: Design: from yesterday to November the 22nd Poll: from the 33rd to the 30th.
Then, we'd see if the winning design needs some tunning, and then we'd publish and print it.

Hope you like the idea, we're open to suggestions.

Regards, Ismael

2009/11/4 Ramón Miranda :

I really like the
http://www.freewear.org/images/release_candidates/gimp_base.png But i ´ll try to do a logo for you. the format must be svg? or xcf?

Oops, forgot that little detail. Format must be svg.

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Daniel Hornung wrote:

On Wednesday 04 November 2009, Ismael Barros² wrote:

How about a little competition?

Better than this list would be the gimp-user list, and I'm sure there are some more lists for this purpose.

Indeed, I'll spread the word.

I organised the rules and added some that were missing. You can find them at http://www.freewear.org/?contest=gimp

Cheers, Ismael

Hi again,

Design submitting deadline is over, and the designs are ready to get voted.

You can vote here: http://www.freewear.org/?contest=gimp

Regards, Ismael

Voting is over, and in the end our last design was the winner. Results: http://www.freewear.org/?contest=gimp

The other designs were also nice, so if our Gimp T-shirts are successful, we will probably introduce them in our catalog, and of course, we will provide proper credit to the original design author and award him as if he won the contest.

For now, we have the first T-shirt almost ready to be uploaded. What we need now is to talk with some Gimp administrator to make sure a link can be placed on http://www.gimp.org/about/merchandise.html. Does anyone know who I could contact for this?

Cheers, Ismael

On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 4:22 PM, Ismael Barros² wrote:

For now, we have the first T-shirt almost ready to be uploaded.

The T-shirt is up and ready to be sold: http://www.freewear.org/?page=show_item&id=FW0042

What
we need now is to talk with some Gimp administrator to make sure a link can be placed on http://www.gimp.org/about/merchandise.html. Does anyone know who I could contact for this?

We would also need some admin/treasurer to give him access to the sales and donations figures in our site.

Cheers, Ismael

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Michael Schumacher wrote:

Is there any reason why this information should not be public?

There's no personal information involved, so I'd say there's not.

Just in case, the information is password-protected and so far I've given the login information to the admin of each organization, but if you want so, I could just post the login and password here.