On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 9:48 AM, Brendan wrote:

When dropping two images from GQView to the Gimp "Empty Image Window"...I get two layers in one image...Huh? Is this on purpose? Wouldn't it be more rational to open two images, and not combine them into an image with two layers?

Oh, it wouldn't. Both use cases (opening as separate images and merging into one) are perfectly valid.

In Qtpfsgui a similar case is solved by asking a user what he intends to do with several images that are dropped into the window - open each one separately or merge into one HDR image.

Alexandre

Brendan wrote:

When dropping two images from GQView to the Gimp "Empty Image Window"...I get two layers in one image...Huh? Is this on purpose? Wouldn't it be more rational to open two images, and not combine them into an image with two layers? Maybe I'm missing something, or this was unintended...

Hi!

Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on an already open image).

To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead.

BR, Martin

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:35 AM, Martin Nordholts wrote:

Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on an already open image).

To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead.

Doh! This should go to user manual for 2.6+ :-) Thanks for telling!

Alexandre

Alexandre Prokoudine (alexandre.prokoudine@gmail.com) wrote (in part) (on 2008-11-03 at 17:39):

Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as

dropping on
> > an already open image).
> >
> > To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead.

Doh! This should go to user manual for 2.6+ :-) Thanks for telling!

As a Windows user had never heard of Gqview (though I see there is a Windows port available)

Original post appears to be equivalent to dragging multiple files from Windows Explorer. If attempting this it is (IMO) important to set Preferences-Window Management-Hint for toolbox to [Normal window]. If its' hint is set to [Utility window] then nothing appears on the taskbar and the Toolbox is likely to be hidden making it AFAICT impossible to drag multiple files and have them open as separate images.

Hi,

On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 23:35 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote:

Brendan wrote:

When dropping two images from GQView to the Gimp "Empty Image Window"...I get two layers in one image...Huh? Is this on purpose? Wouldn't it be more rational to open two images, and not combine them into an image with two layers? Maybe I'm missing something, or this was unintended...

Hi!

Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on an already open image).

To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead.

I am not so sure if this was good decision to make. I don't quite remember if Peter suggested that we do it this way. Peter, are you listening...?

Sven

Sven Neumann wrote:

On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 23:35 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote:

Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on
an already open image).

To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead.

I am not so sure if this was good decision to make. I don't quite remember if Peter suggested that we do it this way. Peter, are you listening...?

yes I am and this is an area that was not fully chewed for 2.6.

to keep the "see Wilber, drop files" mantra going strong, the best thing is to enforce one rule:

"Dropping files on Wilber (==the GIMP app) will open these files in GIMP, as separate images"

Wilber is in the toolbox and the no-image-window.

Combine that with the rule:

"drop files on an image window and you get those files within that image as layers"

and we got two simple primary 'what you do is what you get' rules.

If there is a need for more power (a big if, actually) then we need to investigate a modifier key for dropping on Wilber.

--ps

founder + principal interaction architect man + machine interface works

http://mmiworks.net/blog : on interaction architecture

i end up doing both.
maybe a keystroke for layer,
or new image?
with a preference for the default action... dropping on the layer dialog is good idea as well.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Brendan wrote:

On Tuesday 04 November 2008, peter sikking wrote:

Sven Neumann wrote:

On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 23:35 +0100, Martin Nordholts wrote:

Dropping on the Emtpy Image Window opens as layers (just as dropping on
an already open image).

To open them as separate images, drop on the toolbox instead.

I am not so sure if this was good decision to make. I don't quite remember if Peter suggested that we do it this way. Peter, are you listening...?

yes I am and this is an area that was not fully chewed for 2.6.

to keep the "see Wilber, drop files" mantra going strong, the best thing is to enforce one rule:

"Dropping files on Wilber (==the GIMP app) will open these files in GIMP, as separate images"

Wilber is in the toolbox and the no-image-window.

Combine that with the rule:

"drop files on an image window and you get those files within that image as layers"

How about "If I want this specific action (Adding Layers), I'll drop files on
the Layer dialog"

I agree that it's quite confusing to have two different behaviors for something that looks almost the same. But I think it is good to have the other functionality available too, so I guess it is worth to add a modificator key, as Peter suggested.

Something like this, for instance: - Drop multiple images on Wilber (both in image window or toolbox): opens each image as separate documents- - Drop multiple images pressing alt: opens them as layers in the same document.

The question is how to proceed when there is an image already opened in the image window. I guess it should open images as layers in that case (without pressing alt), and work in the same way that it does now, since there wouldn't be a wilber in the image window.

What do you think?

Hi,

On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 21:06 -0500, Brendan wrote:

It's very unintuitive.
I mean, how often do you want to drop a layer into an image vs. dropping a bunch of images to be opened? I do zero of the former and thousands of the latter.

Calm down, please, will you? I am counting five mails from you now about this topic. The issue was already settled after the first post. Hitting the nail again and again doesn't make it more fun to actually sit down and write a patch that implements this change.

Sven

On Mon, 2008-11-03 at 21:06 -0500, Brendan wrote: [...]

It's very unintuitive.
I mean, how often do you want to drop a layer into an image vs. dropping a bunch of images to be opened?

More often I do want layers in that case.

And also, when the New Image window is the only one visible (when the other windows are hidden, etc.)...how would I open two images by dragging and dropping?

drop onto the wilbur graphic in the toolbox. Or onto the new image window when there is no image.

Liam

On Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 21:07:19, Brendan wrote:

I think it's still confusing. Dropping images onto an image window should open images...If dragging onto the layers dialog, it should add them as layers.

I fully expect that dropping images to an image window would add them as layers...

It's simple, and honestly, nobody outside of this list really knows or cares who "Wilbur" is or the fact that they have to drag onto eyes.

...while not caring about toolbox Wilber, and still thinking that it looks like "Hey, we forgot to put something here", but I know better than trying to argue with the UI team.

Hi,

While reading all the thread, I was thinking that some applications having two valid semantic for the same action use a dialog box on first use of that action.
- Always use a particular valid semantic and stop asking - Use a particular semantic and continue to ask

It can be a good idea to add a third option to a dialog box to configure some shortcuts or modifier for each semantic

I don't know if it fits to the GIMP usability guideline, - Luid