Hi Phillip,

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:05:28AM -0700, Phillip M. Feldman wrote:

The current help system requires that GIMP be installed first. It would be great if one could simply download a PDF file, with no dependence between the documentation and the GIMP software.

we provide PDF builts of the documentation. Though they're currently a bit outdated, but we will update them as soon as possible.

You can find them at:

http://docs.gimp.org/download.html

Greetings,

Hi,

On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 09:05 -0700, Phillip M. Feldman wrote:

The current help system requires that GIMP be installed first

THat is not correct. The configure script looks for a GIMP installation only to find out where to install the help files. You can easily skip that check by passing --without-gimp to the configure script.

Sven

So, I'd still really like the help files installed correctly with the gimp on OpenBSD. A PDF version would be acceptable, but I'd prefer the help file to compile and install correctly under OpenBSD.

OpenBSD 4.4 shipped today, so perhaps now is the time to create a port or package for OpenBSD 4.5? It will be out in six months, which should be plenty of time.

I'd be happy to help in any way I can.

Thanks,

- Mark Beihoffer

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1. Re: Installing GIMP help files (Sven Neumann) 2. PDF version of help documentation (Phillip M. Feldman) 3. Re: PDF version of help documentation (Roman Joost) 4. Re: PDF version of help documentation (Sven Neumann)

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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2008 21:06:39 +0100 From: Sven Neumann
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Hi,

On Fri, 2008-10-31 at 14:57 +0100, Roman Joost wrote:

But on a second thought and a check at the Makefile I think we never released the manual as pre-built HTML files

I am very sure that the build system was initially designed to distribute pre-built HTML files. And I am also sure that this used to be done at some point in history. The installation instructions for the user manual still clearly state this.

Sven

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The current help system requires that GIMP be installed first. It would be great if one could simply download a PDF file, with no dependence between the documentation and the GIMP software.

Phillip M. Feldman

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Hi Phillip,

On Sat, Nov 01, 2008 at 09:05:28AM -0700, Phillip M. Feldman wrote:

The current help system requires that GIMP be installed first. It would be great if one could simply download a PDF file, with no dependence between the documentation and the GIMP software.

we provide PDF builts of the documentation. Though they're currently a bit outdated, but we will update them as soon as possible.

You can find them at:

http://docs.gimp.org/download.html

Greetings, --
Roman Joost
www: http://www.romanofski.de
email: romanofski@gimp.org
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Message: 4 Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2008 19:07:21 +0100 From: Sven Neumann
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Hi,

On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 09:05 -0700, Phillip M. Feldman wrote:

The current help system requires that GIMP be installed first

THat is not correct. The configure script looks for a GIMP installation only to find out where to install the help files. You can easily skip that check by passing --without-gimp to the configure script.

Sven

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why not just have a wiki (a la wikipedia) for all the help documentation? plus also links to youtube tutorials would be good as well Charles

--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Phillip M. Feldman wrote:

From: Phillip M. Feldman
Subject: Re: [Gimp-docs] PDF version of help documentation To: "Sven Neumann"
Cc: gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 4:15 PM Hello,

When I invoke the installation program from the command line, I get
exactly the same error message whether I include the "--without-gimp"
option or not.

Phillip

Sven Neumann wrote:

Hi,

On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 09:05 -0700, Phillip M. Feldman

wrote:

The current help system requires that GIMP be

installed first

THat is not correct. The configure script looks for a

GIMP installation

only to find out where to install the help files. You

can easily skip

that check by passing --without-gimp to the configure

script.

Sven

Hi Charles,

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 12:22:16AM -0800, Charlie Albright wrote:

why not just have a wiki (a la wikipedia) for all the help documentation? plus also links to youtube tutorials would be good as well

it's not that simple. This topic was already debated back and forth long ago. I remember that Axel Wernicke worked on a wiki solution.

I just can count several issues:

- migrating the current source to a wiki - creating HTML snapshots for the GIMP help system with stable ids - creating sane layouted printouts - spam problems and access restrictions

Though my position doesn't mean that a wiki is an impossible solution for the user manual.

Cheers,

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Hi,

there still is a "private" GIMP-docs wiki playground at http://lexaikon.dnsalias.org/~medius/mediawiki/index.php/Main_Page containing the gimp manual from a few months ago.

Feel free to get the idea...

lexA

Am 03.11.2008 um 12:44 schrieb Roman Joost:

Hi Charles,

On Mon, Nov 03, 2008 at 12:22:16AM -0800, Charlie Albright wrote:

why not just have a wiki (a la wikipedia) for all the help documentation? plus also links to youtube tutorials would be good as well

it's not that simple. This topic was already debated back and forth long
ago. I remember that Axel Wernicke worked on a wiki solution.

I just can count several issues:

- migrating the current source to a wiki - creating HTML snapshots for the GIMP help system with stable ids - creating sane layouted printouts - spam problems and access restrictions

Though my position doesn't mean that a wiki is an impossible solution for the user manual.

Cheers,

Hi,

On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 14:35 -0500, Mark Beihoffer wrote:

So, I'd still really like the help files installed correctly with the gimp on OpenBSD. A PDF version would be acceptable, but I'd prefer the help file to compile and install correctly under OpenBSD.

OpenBSD 4.4 shipped today, so perhaps now is the time to create a port or package for OpenBSD 4.5? It will be out in six months, which should be plenty of time.

Then please do whatever fixes the build needs and send us a patch.

Sven

Hi,

On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 21:15 -0800, Phillip M. Feldman wrote:

When I invoke the installation program from the command line, I get exactly the same error message whether I include the "--without-gimp" option or not.

I've just verified that the configure option is still there and works as advertized. No check for GIMP is made if you pass --without-gimp to the configure script.

Sven